News Sep 6, 2023 at 1:17 pm

Chief Adrian Diaz on the Ruling: "This Might Be the End of the Beginning"

A federal judge still wants the feds to oversee SPD's crowd control tactics and the City's accountability measures. RS

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"Mostly compliant".

Means they ignored the spirit of the instructions but fulfilled the paper definition of them.

3

More people were murdered under consent decree than before. So, mission accomplished.

4

murdered by Seattle police that is

6

Oh, Toby, you sweet sweet summer Wallingford child.

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@4 you had it right the first time and we are pacing to beat our record from last year

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@8 all you are looking for is an argument over the word "murder" and your authority fetish has clouded your brain. go do something else - don't you have some bums to yell at grampa?

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@7 this ties in nicely with the I,A about Seattle not being a real city. People out here thinking 50 murders, when the year is 75% done, is a huge crime wave. Y'all need to get a grip.

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"In a March statement from the ACLU, attorneys pointed out that during routine policing SPD cops are four times more likely to stop Black people and almost six times more likely to stop Indigenous people than white people."

We simply need to increase the number of white people randomly stopped and frisked. To bring the numbers back in line. Let's start with ACLU members.

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Explain how it is possible to write about the consent decree when The Stranger has ignored the failings of the police oversight and accountability systems which are fundamental to determining the efficacy of the consent decree? See: https://twitter.com/bessarabia1/status/1699914570616439035

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@10: We’ll, that was quick. In the space of a mere six comments, you went from condemning murders @3 to hand-waving them away,. Truly, (some) life is cheap with you.

And, to drive the points @5, @7, etc. home even harder, at least two of the murders committed during the Consent Decree were directly due to the absence of SPD officers from the CHAZ/CHOP. So rather than police killing people during the Consent Decree, the lack of police killed people during the Consent Decree. You could not possibly have been more wrong if you tried.

So, do Rich Smith and Mr. Mudede know you’re doing their jobs for free?!? ;-)

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@11 "@9 Murder, noun, the crime of unlawfully and unjustifiably killing a person. "

in case you haven't noticed the past few years, the whole uproar about police has kind of been about what constitutes a lawful, justifiable killing and what doesn't.

what you consider lawful and justifiable is obviously clearly different from what I consider those words to mean, so you will find fault with any person I list who was killed by Seattle Police under the consent decree.

Just because the police investigated themselves and determined no one was killed unlawfully or unjustifiably, that doesn't make it true.

@14 it's not a contradiction to condem murder and also eyeroll at the fear-mongering histrionics

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@15: When the police do it and you alone call it murder, that’s a tragic injustice which demands redress. When someone other than the police does it and everyone agrees it’s murder, that’s merely a statistic and everyone (friends and relatives of the victims absolutely not excepted) just “need to get a grip.”

Please do continue to express your amazement at not instantly and totally rallying everyone to your side via your loudly professed dedication to compassionate justice.

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Interesting, this article contained no profanity and didn't demonize anyone. [Not same for reader comments]. My opinion is that this is generally an appropriate change. Though, I agree that our elected leaders have abdicated some of their responsibility and required authority in union contracts. We should expect high conduct and performance standards by all our public employees. Our elected leaders should not limit their ability to drive [conduct, performance and process] changes and and should maintain the ability to require accountability by all police employees. Our police, SPD's leadership, and our elected leaders have disapointed.

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@13: "failings of the police oversight and accountability systems"

You don't think the DoJ has boots on the ground here (aka the FBI) to keep an eye on things? It's like letting a person out on probation. They get a PO to periodically monitor their compliance. They don't trust the convict to self report.

Granted, the FBI doesn't like this duty. It's a matter of loyalty to the profession. Individual agents would rather be out catching bank robbers or breaking up foreign spy rings.


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