Accusation in a mirror (AiM) (also called mirror politics,[1] mirror propaganda, mirror image propaganda, or a mirror argument) is a technique often used in the context of hate speech incitement, where one falsely attributes one's own motives and/or intentions to one's adversaries.[2][3][4] It has been cited, along with dehumanization, as one of the indirect or cloaked forms of incitement to genocide, which has contributed to the commission of genocide, for example in the Holocaust or the Rwandan genocide. By invoking collective self-defense, accusation in a mirror is used to justify genocide, similar to self-defense as a defense for individual homicide.[
Biden is an arrogant Zionist and his willful refusal to stop aiding and abetting the crimes Israel is committing in the slaughter and starvation of the Palestinian people and the total and complete destruction of every single structure in GAZA will cost him and the United States. Biden belongs in a prison cell right next to Trump, but oh right the Biden Administration's lame do nothing so-called Department of Justice has done nothing since the first day Biden took office to stop Trump from being allowed to be anywhere near the White House again.
When our country, our Supreme Court, our federal judges all believe a president cannot be held accountable for trying to overthrow the federal government (including murdering his own VP), there is no "lesser of two evils" there is only evil. We have no democracy. We have a fake government, bought, paid for, and owned by foreign countries, and we are their bitch. Trump did so much damage when in office that it will take decades if not centuries to climb out from it (if anyone is left, if anyone other than white men born with a penis and Clarence Thomas have any rights left).
Biden's arrogance and Zionism and refusal to NOT COMMIT WAR CRIMES BY AIDING AND ABETTING AND ARMING AND FUNDING ISRAEL'S WAR CRIMES will cost him. Hopefully it will cost him the election (though it doesn't matter if it does or not - SCOTUS and the federal judiciary and the Repuclowns in Congress will continue to gut the country until we are nothing but people enslaved to capitalism or dead bodies).
I hope Biden is booed out of Seattle faster than Trump can delete a social media post that will get him put in a jail cell.
I donāt feel like I got my moneyās worth on this Slog AM post. That āmeanwhileā in the first section is truly jaw dropping for either treating the reader like a total idiot or displaying the authorās fundamental lack of analytical ability.
Fuck that, xina. I don't want Trump or his activist self avowed white supremacist shitbag cabinet anywhere near the oval office again. I can't stand Biden's approach to this issue, but if you think the situation will get any better with Trump, it will only be that much more enabling of the far right fascist takeover of the Palestinian territories and will throw the region into a world war, full stop. Biden is a menace, but there is a greater of two evils and attacking Biden is doing Trump's work for him. At least Biden is being held even an iota of accountable to his consituency. But AIPAC is a very powerful force in our government and the Holocaust has been weaponized to give the most extremists elements of Israeli society carte blanche to commit genocide in the name of self defense. Don't get so caught up in purity and defeatism that you and those who think alike will throw us from the frying pan into the fire. Our coalition needs you. Biden is one man anchoring a large team of public servants and judges, many of whom sympathize with the Palestinian cause. Better to have them then the full fascist MAGA apeshit Stephen Millers and Roger Stones and Bannons in charge with unaccountability. No, ma'am, that's unacceptable.
I DRAW A HOT SORROW BATH IN MY DESPAIR ROOM WITH A MISERY CANDLE BURNING I WASH MY HAIR WITH REGRET SHAMPOO AFTER CLEANING MYSELF WITH PAIN SOAP I DRY MYSELF WITH MY GORGEOUS WHITE ONE HUNDRED PERCENT AND IT WILL NEVER CHANGE TOWEL THEN SMOOTH ON MY I DONāT DESERVE LOTION AND I HATE MYSELF FACE CREAM THEN I PUT ON MY ALONE AGAIN SILK PYJAMAS AND GO TO SLEEP WHEN THE HUE HAS GONE BLUE AND YOU CANāT QUITE GRIN AND BEAR IT LET THIS WORD PICTURE REMIND YOU IT CAN ALWAYS BE WORSE
Keanu Reeves, Ode to Happiness.
If Gaza has shown us anything, it's that it can always be worse! And worse fucking sucks ass! Make it better!
@8 FTW. Biden has disappointed me* on his Israel policy (but heck, so has every president since at least Clinton and maybe Carter), but Trump would be infinitely worse. Jared's already planning a set of beachfront condos in Gaza once the present occupants are killed or removed to someplace convenient like the middle of the Negev Desert. And that's just on I/P issues, not even considering every other area where Trump would be an unmitigated disaster.
And I might as well acknowledge that Biden has also been tougher on Israel than any president in recent memory. Who else laid down sanctions on settlers in the West Bank?
Gotta love it when people who demand to exercise that their 1st Amendment right be respected turn and around and work to prevent other from exercising theirs.
The Pro Hamas crowd are cowards in addition to being hypocrites. They are afraid to debate Charlie Kirk.
Thirty years ago, First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton visited Seattle. Given how Seattle had voted overwhelmingly for her husband, and prided itself on having a liberal, feminist philosophy, things went smoothly, right?
Right-wing radio station KVI-AM, then nearing the zenith of its power, spent the entire week before her visit blasting their white, male, undereducated listeners with extra-huge doses of 100% Hillary Hate. As they had intended (without ever saying it outright, of course) their juiced-up rent-a-mob attacked the vehicle in which she was riding in downtown Seattle. She later recalled what a miserable experience āSeattleā had been for her.
Now, it appears our local hard left has some ideas about validating Horseshoe Theory.
I've long thought that kristofarian would be a fun/funny addition to the staff, particularly if all of his posts were in his distinctive style of formatted prose. I'd imagine raindrop just might suffer a brain aneurysm before making it all the way his through first contribution.
@5 -- Obviously a Trump shill. Nothing new really. Folks have been trying that line of argument for a very long time. The person on the left is not far enough left -- thus they are all the same. Doesn't matter how far left they are, either. Just a variation on divide and conquer. Sometimes it works (Gore). Sometimes it doesn't (Obama). We'll see. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter. Or arrogance. It is bizarre that people think Biden can somehow stop Netanyahu even though Bibi himself made it clear he doesn't give a shit what Americans think or do. We are about as powerful as Canada was in stopping Bush from invading Iraq.
@8 CDizzle (Garb Garblar?), @10 boatgeek, and @11 pat L: +3 for the WIN!!
"[Joe Biden] the least popular President in 75 years is coming to Seattle" ?
Vivian, would you rather have the dystopian, world ending nightmare of the Orange Turd permanently
stinking up the White House for life with its neofascist Extreme Court, no democracy, no body autonomy for women and girls, no U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), Affordable Care Act (ACA), and corrupt KKKorporate white RepubliKKKan men, rapists, gun crazed serial killers, and RWNJs the only ones "allowed" to vote?
Have we learned absolutely nothing from Adolf Hitler's rise to fascism 85 years ago?
Do public schools even bother to teach U.S. and World History any more? If not it's most likely that the Orange Turd's MAGAts and RWNJs have insisted they don't and have packed the courts with ultra-conservatives to make SURE they don't.
ATTENTION YOUNGER GENERATIONS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE AND EVERYONE ELSE 18 AND OVER: put down your phones and GET OUT AND VOTE TO RE-ELECT JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS, THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL AND VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES! VOTE TO ELECT BOB FERGUSON THE NEXT GOVERNOR OF WASHINGTON STATE!
It could be not just your funeral otherwise, but everybody's who isn't the following:
@17 And the war has been a total success from Likud's point of view as well. Pre-war there was clear majority support in Israel for a two state solution, 61%-30%. Now that has flipped to 65%-25% opposed. So Netanyahu's support of Hamas pre-10/7 has had exactly the desired effect--killing the possibility of a two-state solution. 1200 dead Israelis was no doubt a small price to pay for that success. The 35,000 dead Gazans are just a side benefit. Mission accomplished?
@22 And all it took was 1200 dead Israelis on 10/7 plus a few hundred more IDF casualties since. Such a bargain. I'm sure the survivors and survivors' families appreciate the value of their sacrifice.
Israel is likely dreaming if they think that they can break Hamas' ability to fight long-term. The more they tighten their grip, the more [people] will slip through their fingers, to paraphrase the movie. If Israel is expecting a million Gazans to move out of Rafah, an awful lot of Hamas' military can slip along with. Not to mention that killing civilians (or militants, for that matter) has never ended an insurgency.
@24 My God, you're predictable. Maybe an alternative would be to negotiate in good faith toward a two-state solution supported by 60% of your population and that would benefit the people who are not sworn enemies? Naw, that could never work. Better prop up the people who want to destroy you, then go all shocked-Pikachu face when they take military action like they've said they would.
It takes a real statesman to trade 1200 dead civilians for the promise of a continued war.
Oh, and before you remind us again that Arafat walked away from the table in the early 2000's, let's remember that the Israeli offer on the table at that time wasn't a two-state solution. It was at best one and a half states. Palestine would have been divided in at least four pieces that Israel could separate at any time they chose. Not to mention that Palestine wouldn't get to control their own borders. Palestine would have been a client state much like what Putin wants now in the former Soviet bloc.
Biden will stop shipments of US-made bombs and artillery shells if the IDF launches a major ground invasion of Rafah. Shipments of defensive weapons would continue.
@20 mike blob: You're too kind and I appreciate the consideration. But as a journalist I wouldn't have the stomach for having to actually deal with RepubliKKKans, RWNJs, and their MAGAt enablers face to face. Keeping a distance is far healthier----and saner----for Griz.
People seriously do not understand that it doesn't matter if Biden or Trump is squatting in the White House. It doesn't matter AT ALL. And Donald Trump is not a fucking Terminator Cyborg who is going to live forever like everyone acts like he is. Neither is Trump. Trump vs. Biden again?
This is what this country believes is reasonable. This is proof that it doesn't matter. If people, anyone, anywhere, in this country TRULY believed it mattered who the squatter in the White House is, there would be two entirely different people running for President.
The people of the United States are not in charge of the government. Our politicians do not fucking care about any of us. None of them. They take money from lobbyists and organizations like AIPAC and billionaires and world wide dictators and THEY DO NOT GIVE A FUCK WHAT HAPPENS TO ANYONE, NOT YOU, NOT ME, NOT ANYONE.
IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. WAKE THE FUCK UP AND SEE REALITY.
SCOTUS is burning the country down, eradicating the Constitution amendment by amendment (and Biden, his administration, and the Democrats have DONE NOTHING, NOT ONE THING TO STOP IT OR COUNTERACT IT). After they determine that the POTUS (as long as it's Trump and no one else) can't be held accountable for his crimes, the next thing they are going after is the 19th Amendment, because not only do they want women to exist only to breed, they certainly don't want them to vote.
Look at what has happened with regard to labor laws. 14 year olds can work 40 hour weeks and work in slaughterhouses and other dangerous jobs BUT THEY CAN'T FUCKING VOTE. Prisoners can't vote either and the labor they do for corporate America pads their profits to the tune of BILLIONS.
During Biden's presidency so far:
The DOJ had done nothing about Trump. The DOJ has done nothing about the more than 143 members of Congress who do not believe Biden won the election and refuse to recognize that he is the president (a violation of their oath and our Constitution). Those members of Congress should have been forcibly removed, indicted, prosecuted, convicted, and imprisoned. They are all traitors. As is Trump and all every single person who was in his administration and every single person since Trump left the WH who has continued to aid and abet his criminal enterprise (which is every Republican politician and every wealthy person benefiting from the tax cut scams and every corporation living large on billions of dollars in profits while the people who perform actual labor in this country are dehumanized and dehumanized and dehumanized some more).
January 6 terrorists have gotten slaps on the wrist for trying to overthrow the government and killing people while they tried (while Black people sit in prison for decades on marijuana or petty theft charges or basically EXISTING WHILE NOT WHITE).
SCOTUS has deemed anyone with a uterus a second tier human who can be left to die if they're fetus is dying or should be jailed (or put to death depending on where you live) if they have an abortion.
Rapists can obtain parental rights. Yep, a rapist can choose their baby mama and get parental rights after forcing their victim to give birth. The land of the fucking free my ass.
Affirmative action, which barely put a scratch in the inequality, let alone the true problem of catastrophic inequity in this country, has been eliminated; Diversity, Equality, and Inclusiveness has been eradicated; more books than ever have been banned; the first non-white, women presidents of Universities have been fired or are being interrogated by Congress and throwing their students and faculty under the bus trying to save their own jobs
The USPS is being systematically destroyed and Biden and the Democrats have done NOTHING. When it's dead and gone they will wring their hands and say "vote for us, we'll fix it!"
Democrats made promises to get elected in 2020. After a summer of worldwide protests against the endless murders of Black people by cops, especially the 9 minute video tape of a cop sitting on the neck of George Floyd NOT GIVING ONE FUCK WHO WAS WATCHING, what did Biden or the Democrats do after promising police reform? NOTHING. After all of the election bullshit and violation of voting rights and the gutting of the Voting Rights Act and all of the voter disenfranchisement nationwide, what did the Democrats do after promising to shore up voting rights? NOTHING. The list is endless. Democrats care about one thing and one thing only, that people vote for them so they get to have access to the power and the money. That's it. And I say that as someone who has always voted Democrat and thought that voting mattered (and fought viciously with those people in my life who insisted it didn't matter). Well, they were right. It DOES NOT MATTER. I will never NOT vote, but I won't fucking vote for Genocide Joe (just as I won't ever vote for a Republican) and I truly, deeply, and to a degree that makes me so incomprehensibly sick, finally understand THAT IT DOES NOT MATTER.
The United States of America is a vicious, violent, hate-filled, money obsessed country and it is going down. All of the arrogance and hubris and all of the depraved indifference to all human life and the obsession with wealth and power is bringing it down. All empires fall and this fall is going to be specifically brutal and more than likely excruciatingly protracted (unless someone with access to nuclear warheads gets trigger happy and that's always possible given the current state of affairs).
And all of this, these comments, all of you who read the Stranger (and myself, I fully include myself) can't do anything to change it and will either live through it or die first, but in no way will anyone, anywhere, in any way stop what is coming.
Human beings literally could have been anything, could have done anything - we are an extraordinary universal (most likely MULTIPLE UNIVERSE) anomaly. We chose to hate each other and kill each other and humiliate each other and dehumanize each other all while destroying the only planet on which we have to live. We are truly the worst thing that could have ever happened in the history of all that is out there in this universe and beyond. We deserve whatever happens to us. We brought it upon ourselves. And voting for GENOCIDE JOE FUCKING BIDEN isn't going to a damn thing to change a damn thing about it. But go ahead and vote for him if it will make you feel better before.
@29 There's so much there, I don't even know where to start.
If you're in Washington or Texas, go ahead and don't vote. Whatever, I don't really care. It doesn't matter. If you're in a swing state, consider:
Sentences of 5-20 years in federal prison for J6 are not nothing. DOJ has gone after Trump himself too, only to be seriously slowed by Judge Cannon in FL. Who appointed her? Trump. And she's going to look a model of restraint compared to who he'll appoint next term. What else is Biden/Garland supposed to do? Call in Seal Team 6 to assassinate Trump? I'm sorry, but I'm not ready to sign up for extrajudicial killing of presidential candidates, no matter what their crimes are.
The Supreme Court? Yeah, let's have a Democrat in there for when Thomas or Alito shuffle off this mortal coil. Again, they'll look like models of restraint compared to the next appointees. No, the Democrats have not packed the court, because they don't have the votes to do it in the Senate. Manchin and Sinema (and maybe others) stand in the way. Both will be gone next term, with Manchin replaced with a fire-breathing Republican, and hopefully Sinema replaced with a reasonable Democrat.
I don't disagree with a lot of what you say. It's the solution. If Mitt Romney were running against Biden, you might be a lot closer to reality. Some time in the wilderness might make Democrats more aggressive. But Trump will install himself as a dictator and will never leave office. He is an existential threat to the republic, and the folks he installs to keep himself in the presidency will trample over everything you hold dear. I have never said that about a prior presidency, and I hope never to say it again.
Glad to see TS carrying the water for our tech overlords - up next for support, TikTok
āThe government still hasnāt produced any evidence that the app has used data from American users for spying or the proliferation of propaganda, despite what some congressional leaders believeā
For a group that bitches endlessly about Tech, you all sure have their backs (from parroting their talking points to promoting their cesspool platforms). You all never cease to amaze.
@12 They are not cowards for refusing to debate a Fascist. We listened to the Free Speech absolutists who insisted that letting Nazis speak would lead to the Nazis crawling back under their rocks. Instead we got Trump, and a GOP dominated by actual Fascists. I'm fine with censoring Nazis and hate speech. Allowing both has been shown to be harmful to a healthy society.
@26: āBiden will stop shipments of US-made bombs and artillery shells if the IDF launches a major ground invasion of Rafah. Shipments of defensive weapons would continue.ā
Ironically, everyone here who has drooled over the very thought of Biden losing his job because of Gaza might now get their wish:
āAt the same time, the poll [of Americans who are registered to vote] also found support for Israel to continue its military operation into the city of Rafah, where many Palestinian civilians have fled to after Israelās offensive began. Israeli leaders have said that Hamas militants are in the city.
āMore than 70 percent of respondents said Israel should move forward with the operation, including 57 percent of those 18 to 24 and increasing percentages with each older age group.ā
If Israel goes ahead with the Rafah operation, and if Biden gets blamed by American voters for impeding it, then he could indeed lose over Gaza.
And then, as President Donald Trump pardons himself for absolutely every last little thing, the Stranger & supportive commenters here will yell Biden lost because he supported āgenocide.ā
@29 you say the US is horrible or not worth saving and/or it's being systematically destroyed, and yet you seem nostalgic for a better time somewhere in our past? But GOP and Dems are the same and completely corrupt. Your rants are entertaining but impossible to follow. I will say a little prayer for you to find some peace in these troubled times.
@32: āI'm fine with censoring Nazis and hate speech.ā
Because if we allow you to start doing so, itās totally impossible for your definitions of āNazis and hate speechā to become, āanyone who dares even to think about disagreeing with me in the slightest on anything.ā
The protesters asked for pre-emptive censorship of a speaker whose message drew a larger audience than theirs. From that, the rest of us remain free to draw ā and speak ā our own conclusions about the protesters. And thereās nothing you can do to stop us.
@37. Tell me again how White Supremacist rhetoric about racial superiority and scapegoating and hatred of Jews doesn't meet your definition of hate speech or the tenets of National Socialism as implemented by Germany? You know that Neo Nazis are the most organized anti-Jew organization there is, right? I guess we can't stop you from endorsing Nazis and hate speech, but that's no big surprise here.
Remember kids, scapegoating those who call for the freedom of the brown folks of Palestine is antisemitic and should be censored and cracked down on by riot police and the national guard, but when white people repeat the tenets of David Duke's of the KKK's My Awakening and elect folks who attend White Nationalist and Neo Nazi rallies, that is protected speech and should be upheld at all costs no matter who it endangers.
So tensor, given your staunch anti-antisemitic views against these Gaza genocide protestors, it should concern you that this white nationalist (aka ARYAN) antisemite drew a larger crowd, right? Right?? Which one is it?
In his event, did he also engage in eliminationist rhetoric against Israel?
Well, given that I am free "to draw ā and speak ā [my] own conclusions" about his rhetoric, I do indeed endorse that he engaged in eliminationist rhetoric against Israel.
First, let's use the same logical standards as the quintessential "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free," which has been deemed by the Republican antisemites in Congress to be hate speech, antisemitic, and eliminationist rhetoric against Israel and Judaism/Jews. Congress has declared that this statement has no room for other interpretation and always means that Palestinian freedom necessitates the destruction of Israel and the ethnic cleansing or total elimination of all Jews from the Holy Land. They have also equated anti-Zionism, a political movement that has nothing to do with religion or race, with antisemitism in order to remove critical thinking on the issue. Despite the fact that the vast majority of protestors do want Palestine to be free of the Apartheid system and open air prison that Gaza and the West Bank have become since the Nakba, and for the unlawful seizure of land by settlers defended by the IDF to end, but they do not endorse a zero sum game of winner takes all but a two state solution as was proposed by the Oslo Accords which were flatly rejected by the Likud which assassinated their own Prime Minister Rabin.
So, given that stretch and that it has been codified in Congress, I'm going to take the same liberties to say that Charlie Kirk's sincere Evangelical Christian Nationalist beliefs, in line with Christian eschatology, employ eliminationist rhetoric against Israel because, according to their dogma, that Israel was declared for the Jewish people by God, but in order for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ to occur, the entire region must be subject to nuclear war and the destruction of Israel. And once that occurs, only those Jews that convert to Christianity will be saved from the rapture. Therefore, their endorsement of the jingoist and warmongering of the current Israeli/Palestinian conflict is actually eliminationist rhetoric because they don't actually care about securing Israel but ensuring its destruction in order for Jesus to return and them all to be saved. And these are sincerely held religious beliefs that Charlie Kirk espouses and endorses.
Make sense? Sorry that there's no other room for interpretation there that I can't get Congress to vote on, but if there is, then maybe there's room for interpretation of slogans that don't all call for the same lowest common denominator of hatred and eliminate critical thinking and productive policy making on the issues.
I didnāt ask for your interpretations, nor for your passive-aggressive expression of rage at Congress for their daring to state the obvious. Did the speaker who outdrew the protesters on their own campus use eliminationist rhetoric against Israel? Because they did.
Yes, Christian eschatology says that Israel will be destroyed at some future date. For that to happen, it must exist prior to that future date. (Please let me know if you need help with that.) So, if the speaker does hold views aligned with Christian eschatology, that is evidence he wants Israel to exist. Not the opposite, as you have it here.
Schrƶdinger's Israel must exist so that it cannot exist? Israel decidedly exists, but for the final battle at Megiddo and Jerusalem to end its existence would require what many on the far right consider a nuclear war until 40,000 Jewish converts are left to bring about Jesus. Nobody can know when Jesus returns, but by egging on the most extremist elements of the Israeli government and military into a regional war, conflict and destruction is necessary. Perpetual war without compromise is a great way to ensure that happens, wouldn't you say?
What is it with the doublethink of all these far right figures shamelessly upholding dog whistles and coded antisemitism and outright repeating the same exact tropes that existed in Europe for ages and hating Jews with these conspiracy theories that they control the media and government, as espoused above by Charlie Kirk, but being unquestionable supporters or selling them weapons and more weapons and egging them on to war? Weapons should be used for self defense, not to enable instigatory adventurist campaigns of territorial colonialist expansion in the name of self defense. The fundamentalist chiliastic Evangelical Christian Nationalists do indeed wish to not merely wait for a future date but bring about the end of Israel as a necessary step to Jesus's return. Obviously it has to exist for its existence to come to an end, which nuclear war guarantees.
Xina could be the liberal answer to my former employer A Birch Steen (RIP)
I was his Girl Friday, his muse, his Della Street. They donāt make men like him anymore. Thereās not a week goes by that I donāt leave a single red rose at his space in the columbarium at Evergreen Washelliā¦ā¦
@45: Ok, you do seem to need help on the concept, āto be destroyed, it must first exist.ā Wow.
Did Charlie Kirk, after repeatedly beating the protesters at their own game, on their own campus, use eliminationist rhetoric against Israel? Thatās a pretty simple question. If he did, well then, heās every bit as bad as they are.
Kristofarian, Catalina Vel-DuRay, dvs99, pat L, boatgeek, CDizzle (Garb Garblar?), xina, Ross, COMTE, Max Solomon, mike blob, CKathes, Greenwood Bob, et.al.: HELP!!! Someone please stop the world if we honestly can't save it---my beloved VW and I want to get off. We don't know where we'd go, but DAMN!!--as long as we can live and breathe clean fresh air, drink safe, clean water, healthy food and environmentally friendly fuel, feel safe, have sustainable housing, be represented, valued, loved, and respected.
What to do if Swedish environmental activist Greta Thunberg has given up? Where is Gloria Steinem?
People in Germany must now be cringing about what has been long considered unthinkable in the United States is happening here in the Deeply Divided States, a once great nation and superpower held captive by ~ 75 million neofascist idiots, heartless criminals, and their enablers.
I have a friend and former neighbor who I have known since my childhood, who migrated with her husband to the U.S. from cold war era Germany in the 1950s, when they were a young newlywed couple. We met on a bus eight and a half years ago to Olympia protesting climate change. A widow in her 80s, she told me she felt sick about the direction the U.S. was taking--THEN, in 2015--with overuse of industrialism and fossil fuels. It reminded her chillingly of the same dystopian climate of her native country during the rise of Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich. She and her spouse had no choice but to leave, seeking asylum in this once wonderful, thriving democracy where they had and raised their children and grandchildren here. My heart goes out to them for what they went through nearly seven decades ago. What uncertainties they faced, and the sadness of possibly never returning to see family and friends in their native country again.
I miss what was truly good otherwise about the 20th Century--what we HAD, and blew away. It breaks my heart that future generations--if there ARE any---will never have what I grew up with, lived, and experienced.
My reproductive years are thankfully well behind me. I never had children and never felt sufficient reason to have children of my own, but I wear a Planned Parenthood pin and support body autonomy.
Everyone please excuse me while I go outside for some fresh air, watch the sunset on the water, sit and meditate in my beloved VW, prepare and try to eat some dinner, play some music, and watch a movie. I'm really feeling overwhelmed.
@28 CDizzle (Garb Garblar?): Thank you. I appoint you DC correspondent and salute your bravery. You must have steel belted intestines.
@5 & @29 xina: Let me get this straight: you actually WANT Joe Biden & Kamala Harris to lose the 2024 election? Have you been following the Orange Turd and its repugnantly devoted MAGA 'shroom chomping ho, MTG, on X? Did Elon Musk plant what I call an ALI microchip and somehow reprogrammed your brain?
Please, xina, read my above posted comment @48, take a deep breath, and think very carefully whether (or hopefully not) you think a permanent Orange Turdian dystopian universe to the end of time is really the answer.
Because it really ISN'T.
I'm a female Gulf War veteran of 31 years. I don't want to have to go back to survival mode.
Darth Vader might be entertaining to Star Wars fans. Arnold Schwarzenegger might be hip to those who dig the Terminator franchise. The atmosphere and society of both in real life would really suck.
Of course I don't want Trump to win. Spoiler alert, he didn't win the first time he "won." This country chooses not to keep him away from the WH and they put up Joe Biden and Donald Trump as the options we have? No thanks.
I expect Biden to win. The Zionists will make sure he does (unless Trump "wins" again). I simply will not be voting for Biden and I will not be told that doing so puts Trump in the White House.
I will say, again, maybe this time it will stick: IT DOESN'T MATTER. SCOTUS IS BURNING THE CONSTITUTION, DESTROYING THE RIGHTS OF EVERYONE IN THE MAGA HATE AGENDA AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO AFTER 2024 JUST AS EFFICIENTLY AS THEY HAVE DONE DURING THE LAST 4 YEARS. We are already living in a dystopian hell where money controls everything and people literally believe 80 year old Biden, Zionist to his core, having already sent HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO ISRAEL gives a shit about other people. He's trying to woo Black people - the same cohort he made big promises to in 2020 - and what's happened?
Affirmative Action doesn't exist anymore.
No Police Reform had happened (in fact spending on cops is way up and they're still building cop city in Georgia and the murder of Black people by cop hasn't happened, hasn't even slowed down).
Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity as goals have been destroyed.
No shoring up of voting rights has happened (especially the John Lewis Voting Rights Act, sitting in a garbage can somewhere).
Teaching the actual history of the United States, especially enslavement and then the Civil Rights movement is being outlawed in this country, state by state.
More people than ever are incarcerated (incarcerated people can't vote and in most states formerly incarcerated people can't vote).
Oh and
Roe v. Wade has been overturned
The USPS is being destroyed to ensure vote by mail is destroyed.
Books have been banned at an astronomical rate
Child labor is back in vogue (children can't vote).
All of this and more has happened while Biden has been president. Why the fuck does anyone believe anything will change? And, I will say this AGAIN, Trump is not some sort of cyborg who will live forever. He's totally demented and deteriorating so quickly even his own MAGAts are walking out of his incomprehensible rallies where he spews unintelligible garbage.
The Democrats demand to put up an 80 year old for president and everyone who has supported Democrats is expected to step in line and vote for Biden or else.
Fuck that. Fuck Biden. Fuck the United States of Israel. Israel is committing genocide (and they are on track to succeed in wiping Palestinians off the face of the earth). And people believe Biden giving Israel hundreds of billions of dollars is no big deal while people here live on the streets, are robbed blind by companies and billionaires, are sick without care, are hungry without food, and are living in a country where the poisoning of the air, water, and land is lauded as "freedom."
Schoolhouse Rock taught me 50 years ago that "patriot" is not a pronoun.
"Protesters had asked the University to cancel his appearance..."
Taking "unclear on the concept" to new heights. The lack of self-awareness is truly dizzying here.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusation_in_a_mirror
Accusation in a mirror (AiM) (also called mirror politics,[1] mirror propaganda, mirror image propaganda, or a mirror argument) is a technique often used in the context of hate speech incitement, where one falsely attributes one's own motives and/or intentions to one's adversaries.[2][3][4] It has been cited, along with dehumanization, as one of the indirect or cloaked forms of incitement to genocide, which has contributed to the commission of genocide, for example in the Holocaust or the Rwandan genocide. By invoking collective self-defense, accusation in a mirror is used to justify genocide, similar to self-defense as a defense for individual homicide.[
Biden is an arrogant Zionist and his willful refusal to stop aiding and abetting the crimes Israel is committing in the slaughter and starvation of the Palestinian people and the total and complete destruction of every single structure in GAZA will cost him and the United States. Biden belongs in a prison cell right next to Trump, but oh right the Biden Administration's lame do nothing so-called Department of Justice has done nothing since the first day Biden took office to stop Trump from being allowed to be anywhere near the White House again.
When our country, our Supreme Court, our federal judges all believe a president cannot be held accountable for trying to overthrow the federal government (including murdering his own VP), there is no "lesser of two evils" there is only evil. We have no democracy. We have a fake government, bought, paid for, and owned by foreign countries, and we are their bitch. Trump did so much damage when in office that it will take decades if not centuries to climb out from it (if anyone is left, if anyone other than white men born with a penis and Clarence Thomas have any rights left).
Biden's arrogance and Zionism and refusal to NOT COMMIT WAR CRIMES BY AIDING AND ABETTING AND ARMING AND FUNDING ISRAEL'S WAR CRIMES will cost him. Hopefully it will cost him the election (though it doesn't matter if it does or not - SCOTUS and the federal judiciary and the Repuclowns in Congress will continue to gut the country until we are nothing but people enslaved to capitalism or dead bodies).
I hope Biden is booed out of Seattle faster than Trump can delete a social media post that will get him put in a jail cell.
I donāt feel like I got my moneyās worth on this Slog AM post. That āmeanwhileā in the first section is truly jaw dropping for either treating the reader like a total idiot or displaying the authorās fundamental lack of analytical ability.
The Stranger really should consider adding Our Dear Xina to the staff. She'd fit right in.
Fuck that, xina. I don't want Trump or his activist self avowed white supremacist shitbag cabinet anywhere near the oval office again. I can't stand Biden's approach to this issue, but if you think the situation will get any better with Trump, it will only be that much more enabling of the far right fascist takeover of the Palestinian territories and will throw the region into a world war, full stop. Biden is a menace, but there is a greater of two evils and attacking Biden is doing Trump's work for him. At least Biden is being held even an iota of accountable to his consituency. But AIPAC is a very powerful force in our government and the Holocaust has been weaponized to give the most extremists elements of Israeli society carte blanche to commit genocide in the name of self defense. Don't get so caught up in purity and defeatism that you and those who think alike will throw us from the frying pan into the fire. Our coalition needs you. Biden is one man anchoring a large team of public servants and judges, many of whom sympathize with the Palestinian cause. Better to have them then the full fascist MAGA apeshit Stephen Millers and Roger Stones and Bannons in charge with unaccountability. No, ma'am, that's unacceptable.
I DRAW A HOT SORROW BATH IN MY DESPAIR ROOM WITH A MISERY CANDLE BURNING I WASH MY HAIR WITH REGRET SHAMPOO AFTER CLEANING MYSELF WITH PAIN SOAP I DRY MYSELF WITH MY GORGEOUS WHITE ONE HUNDRED PERCENT AND IT WILL NEVER CHANGE TOWEL THEN SMOOTH ON MY I DONāT DESERVE LOTION AND I HATE MYSELF FACE CREAM THEN I PUT ON MY ALONE AGAIN SILK PYJAMAS AND GO TO SLEEP WHEN THE HUE HAS GONE BLUE AND YOU CANāT QUITE GRIN AND BEAR IT LET THIS WORD PICTURE REMIND YOU IT CAN ALWAYS BE WORSE
Keanu Reeves, Ode to Happiness.
If Gaza has shown us anything, it's that it can always be worse! And worse fucking sucks ass! Make it better!
@8 FTW. Biden has disappointed me* on his Israel policy (but heck, so has every president since at least Clinton and maybe Carter), but Trump would be infinitely worse. Jared's already planning a set of beachfront condos in Gaza once the present occupants are killed or removed to someplace convenient like the middle of the Negev Desert. And that's just on I/P issues, not even considering every other area where Trump would be an unmitigated disaster.
And I might as well acknowledge that Biden has also been tougher on Israel than any president in recent memory. Who else laid down sanctions on settlers in the West Bank?
The least popular President in 75 years is running against the most popular fascist in 75 years! God help us!
Gotta love it when people who demand to exercise that their 1st Amendment right be respected turn and around and work to prevent other from exercising theirs.
The Pro Hamas crowd are cowards in addition to being hypocrites. They are afraid to debate Charlie Kirk.
@12 https://youtu.be/k7JwQvFaiNQ?feature=shared
āBiden Is Coming to Seattleā
Thirty years ago, First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton visited Seattle. Given how Seattle had voted overwhelmingly for her husband, and prided itself on having a liberal, feminist philosophy, things went smoothly, right?
Right-wing radio station KVI-AM, then nearing the zenith of its power, spent the entire week before her visit blasting their white, male, undereducated listeners with extra-huge doses of 100% Hillary Hate. As they had intended (without ever saying it outright, of course) their juiced-up rent-a-mob attacked the vehicle in which she was riding in downtown Seattle. She later recalled what a miserable experience āSeattleā had been for her.
Now, it appears our local hard left has some ideas about validating Horseshoe Theory.
@7,
I've long thought that kristofarian would be a fun/funny addition to the staff, particularly if all of his posts were in his distinctive style of formatted prose. I'd imagine raindrop just might suffer a brain aneurysm before making it all the way his through first contribution.
@5 -- Obviously a Trump shill. Nothing new really. Folks have been trying that line of argument for a very long time. The person on the left is not far enough left -- thus they are all the same. Doesn't matter how far left they are, either. Just a variation on divide and conquer. Sometimes it works (Gore). Sometimes it doesn't (Obama). We'll see. Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter. Or arrogance. It is bizarre that people think Biden can somehow stop Netanyahu even though Bibi himself made it clear he doesn't give a shit what Americans think or do. We are about as powerful as Canada was in stopping Bush from invading Iraq.
@8 CDizzle (Garb Garblar?), @10 boatgeek, and @11 pat L: +3 for the WIN!!
"[Joe Biden] the least popular President in 75 years is coming to Seattle" ?
Vivian, would you rather have the dystopian, world ending nightmare of the Orange Turd permanently
stinking up the White House for life with its neofascist Extreme Court, no democracy, no body autonomy for women and girls, no U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights, Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), Affordable Care Act (ACA), and corrupt KKKorporate white RepubliKKKan men, rapists, gun crazed serial killers, and RWNJs the only ones "allowed" to vote?
Have we learned absolutely nothing from Adolf Hitler's rise to fascism 85 years ago?
Do public schools even bother to teach U.S. and World History any more? If not it's most likely that the Orange Turd's MAGAts and RWNJs have insisted they don't and have packed the courts with ultra-conservatives to make SURE they don't.
ATTENTION YOUNGER GENERATIONS ELIGIBLE TO VOTE AND EVERYONE ELSE 18 AND OVER: put down your phones and GET OUT AND VOTE TO RE-ELECT JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS, THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL AND VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES! VOTE TO ELECT BOB FERGUSON THE NEXT GOVERNOR OF WASHINGTON STATE!
It could be not just your funeral otherwise, but everybody's who isn't the following:
Insanely wealthy and wasteful.
Corrupt-as-fuck,
White.
KKKorporate RepubliKKKan Neofascist.
Cis male.
I also think auntie would make for a fine staff addition.
@17 And the war has been a total success from Likud's point of view as well. Pre-war there was clear majority support in Israel for a two state solution, 61%-30%. Now that has flipped to 65%-25% opposed. So Netanyahu's support of Hamas pre-10/7 has had exactly the desired effect--killing the possibility of a two-state solution. 1200 dead Israelis was no doubt a small price to pay for that success. The 35,000 dead Gazans are just a side benefit. Mission accomplished?
https://news.gallup.com/poll/547760/life-israel-oct-charts.aspx
@22 And all it took was 1200 dead Israelis on 10/7 plus a few hundred more IDF casualties since. Such a bargain. I'm sure the survivors and survivors' families appreciate the value of their sacrifice.
Israel is likely dreaming if they think that they can break Hamas' ability to fight long-term. The more they tighten their grip, the more [people] will slip through their fingers, to paraphrase the movie. If Israel is expecting a million Gazans to move out of Rafah, an awful lot of Hamas' military can slip along with. Not to mention that killing civilians (or militants, for that matter) has never ended an insurgency.
@24 My God, you're predictable. Maybe an alternative would be to negotiate in good faith toward a two-state solution supported by 60% of your population and that would benefit the people who are not sworn enemies? Naw, that could never work. Better prop up the people who want to destroy you, then go all shocked-Pikachu face when they take military action like they've said they would.
It takes a real statesman to trade 1200 dead civilians for the promise of a continued war.
Oh, and before you remind us again that Arafat walked away from the table in the early 2000's, let's remember that the Israeli offer on the table at that time wasn't a two-state solution. It was at best one and a half states. Palestine would have been divided in at least four pieces that Israel could separate at any time they chose. Not to mention that Palestine wouldn't get to control their own borders. Palestine would have been a client state much like what Putin wants now in the former Soviet bloc.
Biden will stop shipments of US-made bombs and artillery shells if the IDF launches a major ground invasion of Rafah. Shipments of defensive weapons would continue.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/08/politics/joe-biden-interview-cnntv/index.html
Your move, Mr. Netanyahu.
@20 mike blob: You're too kind and I appreciate the consideration. But as a journalist I wouldn't have the stomach for having to actually deal with RepubliKKKans, RWNJs, and their MAGAt enablers face to face. Keeping a distance is far healthier----and saner----for Griz.
Let me know if you need a DC correspondent.
People seriously do not understand that it doesn't matter if Biden or Trump is squatting in the White House. It doesn't matter AT ALL. And Donald Trump is not a fucking Terminator Cyborg who is going to live forever like everyone acts like he is. Neither is Trump. Trump vs. Biden again?
This is what this country believes is reasonable. This is proof that it doesn't matter. If people, anyone, anywhere, in this country TRULY believed it mattered who the squatter in the White House is, there would be two entirely different people running for President.
The people of the United States are not in charge of the government. Our politicians do not fucking care about any of us. None of them. They take money from lobbyists and organizations like AIPAC and billionaires and world wide dictators and THEY DO NOT GIVE A FUCK WHAT HAPPENS TO ANYONE, NOT YOU, NOT ME, NOT ANYONE.
IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. WAKE THE FUCK UP AND SEE REALITY.
SCOTUS is burning the country down, eradicating the Constitution amendment by amendment (and Biden, his administration, and the Democrats have DONE NOTHING, NOT ONE THING TO STOP IT OR COUNTERACT IT). After they determine that the POTUS (as long as it's Trump and no one else) can't be held accountable for his crimes, the next thing they are going after is the 19th Amendment, because not only do they want women to exist only to breed, they certainly don't want them to vote.
Look at what has happened with regard to labor laws. 14 year olds can work 40 hour weeks and work in slaughterhouses and other dangerous jobs BUT THEY CAN'T FUCKING VOTE. Prisoners can't vote either and the labor they do for corporate America pads their profits to the tune of BILLIONS.
During Biden's presidency so far:
The DOJ had done nothing about Trump. The DOJ has done nothing about the more than 143 members of Congress who do not believe Biden won the election and refuse to recognize that he is the president (a violation of their oath and our Constitution). Those members of Congress should have been forcibly removed, indicted, prosecuted, convicted, and imprisoned. They are all traitors. As is Trump and all every single person who was in his administration and every single person since Trump left the WH who has continued to aid and abet his criminal enterprise (which is every Republican politician and every wealthy person benefiting from the tax cut scams and every corporation living large on billions of dollars in profits while the people who perform actual labor in this country are dehumanized and dehumanized and dehumanized some more).
January 6 terrorists have gotten slaps on the wrist for trying to overthrow the government and killing people while they tried (while Black people sit in prison for decades on marijuana or petty theft charges or basically EXISTING WHILE NOT WHITE).
SCOTUS has deemed anyone with a uterus a second tier human who can be left to die if they're fetus is dying or should be jailed (or put to death depending on where you live) if they have an abortion.
Rapists can obtain parental rights. Yep, a rapist can choose their baby mama and get parental rights after forcing their victim to give birth. The land of the fucking free my ass.
Affirmative action, which barely put a scratch in the inequality, let alone the true problem of catastrophic inequity in this country, has been eliminated; Diversity, Equality, and Inclusiveness has been eradicated; more books than ever have been banned; the first non-white, women presidents of Universities have been fired or are being interrogated by Congress and throwing their students and faculty under the bus trying to save their own jobs
The USPS is being systematically destroyed and Biden and the Democrats have done NOTHING. When it's dead and gone they will wring their hands and say "vote for us, we'll fix it!"
Democrats made promises to get elected in 2020. After a summer of worldwide protests against the endless murders of Black people by cops, especially the 9 minute video tape of a cop sitting on the neck of George Floyd NOT GIVING ONE FUCK WHO WAS WATCHING, what did Biden or the Democrats do after promising police reform? NOTHING. After all of the election bullshit and violation of voting rights and the gutting of the Voting Rights Act and all of the voter disenfranchisement nationwide, what did the Democrats do after promising to shore up voting rights? NOTHING. The list is endless. Democrats care about one thing and one thing only, that people vote for them so they get to have access to the power and the money. That's it. And I say that as someone who has always voted Democrat and thought that voting mattered (and fought viciously with those people in my life who insisted it didn't matter). Well, they were right. It DOES NOT MATTER. I will never NOT vote, but I won't fucking vote for Genocide Joe (just as I won't ever vote for a Republican) and I truly, deeply, and to a degree that makes me so incomprehensibly sick, finally understand THAT IT DOES NOT MATTER.
The United States of America is a vicious, violent, hate-filled, money obsessed country and it is going down. All of the arrogance and hubris and all of the depraved indifference to all human life and the obsession with wealth and power is bringing it down. All empires fall and this fall is going to be specifically brutal and more than likely excruciatingly protracted (unless someone with access to nuclear warheads gets trigger happy and that's always possible given the current state of affairs).
And all of this, these comments, all of you who read the Stranger (and myself, I fully include myself) can't do anything to change it and will either live through it or die first, but in no way will anyone, anywhere, in any way stop what is coming.
Human beings literally could have been anything, could have done anything - we are an extraordinary universal (most likely MULTIPLE UNIVERSE) anomaly. We chose to hate each other and kill each other and humiliate each other and dehumanize each other all while destroying the only planet on which we have to live. We are truly the worst thing that could have ever happened in the history of all that is out there in this universe and beyond. We deserve whatever happens to us. We brought it upon ourselves. And voting for GENOCIDE JOE FUCKING BIDEN isn't going to a damn thing to change a damn thing about it. But go ahead and vote for him if it will make you feel better before.
@29 There's so much there, I don't even know where to start.
If you're in Washington or Texas, go ahead and don't vote. Whatever, I don't really care. It doesn't matter. If you're in a swing state, consider:
Sentences of 5-20 years in federal prison for J6 are not nothing. DOJ has gone after Trump himself too, only to be seriously slowed by Judge Cannon in FL. Who appointed her? Trump. And she's going to look a model of restraint compared to who he'll appoint next term. What else is Biden/Garland supposed to do? Call in Seal Team 6 to assassinate Trump? I'm sorry, but I'm not ready to sign up for extrajudicial killing of presidential candidates, no matter what their crimes are.
The Supreme Court? Yeah, let's have a Democrat in there for when Thomas or Alito shuffle off this mortal coil. Again, they'll look like models of restraint compared to the next appointees. No, the Democrats have not packed the court, because they don't have the votes to do it in the Senate. Manchin and Sinema (and maybe others) stand in the way. Both will be gone next term, with Manchin replaced with a fire-breathing Republican, and hopefully Sinema replaced with a reasonable Democrat.
I don't disagree with a lot of what you say. It's the solution. If Mitt Romney were running against Biden, you might be a lot closer to reality. Some time in the wilderness might make Democrats more aggressive. But Trump will install himself as a dictator and will never leave office. He is an existential threat to the republic, and the folks he installs to keep himself in the presidency will trample over everything you hold dear. I have never said that about a prior presidency, and I hope never to say it again.
Glad to see TS carrying the water for our tech overlords - up next for support, TikTok
āThe government still hasnāt produced any evidence that the app has used data from American users for spying or the proliferation of propaganda, despite what some congressional leaders believeā
For a group that bitches endlessly about Tech, you all sure have their backs (from parroting their talking points to promoting their cesspool platforms). You all never cease to amaze.
@12 They are not cowards for refusing to debate a Fascist. We listened to the Free Speech absolutists who insisted that letting Nazis speak would lead to the Nazis crawling back under their rocks. Instead we got Trump, and a GOP dominated by actual Fascists. I'm fine with censoring Nazis and hate speech. Allowing both has been shown to be harmful to a healthy society.
@26: āBiden will stop shipments of US-made bombs and artillery shells if the IDF launches a major ground invasion of Rafah. Shipments of defensive weapons would continue.ā
Ironically, everyone here who has drooled over the very thought of Biden losing his job because of Gaza might now get their wish:
āAt the same time, the poll [of Americans who are registered to vote] also found support for Israel to continue its military operation into the city of Rafah, where many Palestinian civilians have fled to after Israelās offensive began. Israeli leaders have said that Hamas militants are in the city.
āMore than 70 percent of respondents said Israel should move forward with the operation, including 57 percent of those 18 to 24 and increasing percentages with each older age group.ā
(https://thehill.com/policy/international/4629597-americans-israel-hamas-gaza-student-protests-poll/amp/)
If Israel goes ahead with the Rafah operation, and if Biden gets blamed by American voters for impeding it, then he could indeed lose over Gaza.
And then, as President Donald Trump pardons himself for absolutely every last little thing, the Stranger & supportive commenters here will yell Biden lost because he supported āgenocide.ā
Well played, folks. Take your bows.
@29 you say the US is horrible or not worth saving and/or it's being systematically destroyed, and yet you seem nostalgic for a better time somewhere in our past? But GOP and Dems are the same and completely corrupt. Your rants are entertaining but impossible to follow. I will say a little prayer for you to find some peace in these troubled times.
@32: āI'm fine with censoring Nazis and hate speech.ā
Because if we allow you to start doing so, itās totally impossible for your definitions of āNazis and hate speechā to become, āanyone who dares even to think about disagreeing with me in the slightest on anything.ā
The protesters asked for pre-emptive censorship of a speaker whose message drew a larger audience than theirs. From that, the rest of us remain free to draw ā and speak ā our own conclusions about the protesters. And thereās nothing you can do to stop us.
@37. Tell me again how White Supremacist rhetoric about racial superiority and scapegoating and hatred of Jews doesn't meet your definition of hate speech or the tenets of National Socialism as implemented by Germany? You know that Neo Nazis are the most organized anti-Jew organization there is, right? I guess we can't stop you from endorsing Nazis and hate speech, but that's no big surprise here.
Remember kids, scapegoating those who call for the freedom of the brown folks of Palestine is antisemitic and should be censored and cracked down on by riot police and the national guard, but when white people repeat the tenets of David Duke's of the KKK's My Awakening and elect folks who attend White Nationalist and Neo Nazi rallies, that is protected speech and should be upheld at all costs no matter who it endangers.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1725247386862146017
@37. Here's some Charlie Kirk antisemitism for ya, straight from the horse's mouth!
So tensor, given your staunch anti-antisemitic views against these Gaza genocide protestors, it should concern you that this white nationalist (aka ARYAN) antisemite drew a larger crowd, right? Right?? Which one is it?
@41: A speaker who criticized the protesters drew a larger crowd for a paid event than did the protesters for their free events. Ouch.
No wonder they called for his pre-emptive censorship.
In his event, did he also engage in eliminationist rhetoric against Israel, i.e. one of the protest leaders calling it āthe Zionist entityā?
In his event, did he also engage in eliminationist rhetoric against Israel?
Well, given that I am free "to draw ā and speak ā [my] own conclusions" about his rhetoric, I do indeed endorse that he engaged in eliminationist rhetoric against Israel.
First, let's use the same logical standards as the quintessential "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free," which has been deemed by the Republican antisemites in Congress to be hate speech, antisemitic, and eliminationist rhetoric against Israel and Judaism/Jews. Congress has declared that this statement has no room for other interpretation and always means that Palestinian freedom necessitates the destruction of Israel and the ethnic cleansing or total elimination of all Jews from the Holy Land. They have also equated anti-Zionism, a political movement that has nothing to do with religion or race, with antisemitism in order to remove critical thinking on the issue. Despite the fact that the vast majority of protestors do want Palestine to be free of the Apartheid system and open air prison that Gaza and the West Bank have become since the Nakba, and for the unlawful seizure of land by settlers defended by the IDF to end, but they do not endorse a zero sum game of winner takes all but a two state solution as was proposed by the Oslo Accords which were flatly rejected by the Likud which assassinated their own Prime Minister Rabin.
So, given that stretch and that it has been codified in Congress, I'm going to take the same liberties to say that Charlie Kirk's sincere Evangelical Christian Nationalist beliefs, in line with Christian eschatology, employ eliminationist rhetoric against Israel because, according to their dogma, that Israel was declared for the Jewish people by God, but in order for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ to occur, the entire region must be subject to nuclear war and the destruction of Israel. And once that occurs, only those Jews that convert to Christianity will be saved from the rapture. Therefore, their endorsement of the jingoist and warmongering of the current Israeli/Palestinian conflict is actually eliminationist rhetoric because they don't actually care about securing Israel but ensuring its destruction in order for Jesus to return and them all to be saved. And these are sincerely held religious beliefs that Charlie Kirk espouses and endorses.
Make sense? Sorry that there's no other room for interpretation there that I can't get Congress to vote on, but if there is, then maybe there's room for interpretation of slogans that don't all call for the same lowest common denominator of hatred and eliminate critical thinking and productive policy making on the issues.
I didnāt ask for your interpretations, nor for your passive-aggressive expression of rage at Congress for their daring to state the obvious. Did the speaker who outdrew the protesters on their own campus use eliminationist rhetoric against Israel? Because they did.
Yes, Christian eschatology says that Israel will be destroyed at some future date. For that to happen, it must exist prior to that future date. (Please let me know if you need help with that.) So, if the speaker does hold views aligned with Christian eschatology, that is evidence he wants Israel to exist. Not the opposite, as you have it here.
Schrƶdinger's Israel must exist so that it cannot exist? Israel decidedly exists, but for the final battle at Megiddo and Jerusalem to end its existence would require what many on the far right consider a nuclear war until 40,000 Jewish converts are left to bring about Jesus. Nobody can know when Jesus returns, but by egging on the most extremist elements of the Israeli government and military into a regional war, conflict and destruction is necessary. Perpetual war without compromise is a great way to ensure that happens, wouldn't you say?
What is it with the doublethink of all these far right figures shamelessly upholding dog whistles and coded antisemitism and outright repeating the same exact tropes that existed in Europe for ages and hating Jews with these conspiracy theories that they control the media and government, as espoused above by Charlie Kirk, but being unquestionable supporters or selling them weapons and more weapons and egging them on to war? Weapons should be used for self defense, not to enable instigatory adventurist campaigns of territorial colonialist expansion in the name of self defense. The fundamentalist chiliastic Evangelical Christian Nationalists do indeed wish to not merely wait for a future date but bring about the end of Israel as a necessary step to Jesus's return. Obviously it has to exist for its existence to come to an end, which nuclear war guarantees.
Xina could be the liberal answer to my former employer A Birch Steen (RIP)
I was his Girl Friday, his muse, his Della Street. They donāt make men like him anymore. Thereās not a week goes by that I donāt leave a single red rose at his space in the columbarium at Evergreen Washelliā¦ā¦
@45: Ok, you do seem to need help on the concept, āto be destroyed, it must first exist.ā Wow.
Did Charlie Kirk, after repeatedly beating the protesters at their own game, on their own campus, use eliminationist rhetoric against Israel? Thatās a pretty simple question. If he did, well then, heās every bit as bad as they are.
Kristofarian, Catalina Vel-DuRay, dvs99, pat L, boatgeek, CDizzle (Garb Garblar?), xina, Ross, COMTE, Max Solomon, mike blob, CKathes, Greenwood Bob, et.al.: HELP!!! Someone please stop the world if we honestly can't save it---my beloved VW and I want to get off. We don't know where we'd go, but DAMN!!--as long as we can live and breathe clean fresh air, drink safe, clean water, healthy food and environmentally friendly fuel, feel safe, have sustainable housing, be represented, valued, loved, and respected.
What to do if Swedish environmental activist Greta Thunberg has given up? Where is Gloria Steinem?
People in Germany must now be cringing about what has been long considered unthinkable in the United States is happening here in the Deeply Divided States, a once great nation and superpower held captive by ~ 75 million neofascist idiots, heartless criminals, and their enablers.
I have a friend and former neighbor who I have known since my childhood, who migrated with her husband to the U.S. from cold war era Germany in the 1950s, when they were a young newlywed couple. We met on a bus eight and a half years ago to Olympia protesting climate change. A widow in her 80s, she told me she felt sick about the direction the U.S. was taking--THEN, in 2015--with overuse of industrialism and fossil fuels. It reminded her chillingly of the same dystopian climate of her native country during the rise of Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich. She and her spouse had no choice but to leave, seeking asylum in this once wonderful, thriving democracy where they had and raised their children and grandchildren here. My heart goes out to them for what they went through nearly seven decades ago. What uncertainties they faced, and the sadness of possibly never returning to see family and friends in their native country again.
I miss what was truly good otherwise about the 20th Century--what we HAD, and blew away. It breaks my heart that future generations--if there ARE any---will never have what I grew up with, lived, and experienced.
My reproductive years are thankfully well behind me. I never had children and never felt sufficient reason to have children of my own, but I wear a Planned Parenthood pin and support body autonomy.
Everyone please excuse me while I go outside for some fresh air, watch the sunset on the water, sit and meditate in my beloved VW, prepare and try to eat some dinner, play some music, and watch a movie. I'm really feeling overwhelmed.
@28 CDizzle (Garb Garblar?): Thank you. I appoint you DC correspondent and salute your bravery. You must have steel belted intestines.
@5 & @29 xina: Let me get this straight: you actually WANT Joe Biden & Kamala Harris to lose the 2024 election? Have you been following the Orange Turd and its repugnantly devoted MAGA 'shroom chomping ho, MTG, on X? Did Elon Musk plant what I call an ALI microchip and somehow reprogrammed your brain?
Please, xina, read my above posted comment @48, take a deep breath, and think very carefully whether (or hopefully not) you think a permanent Orange Turdian dystopian universe to the end of time is really the answer.
Because it really ISN'T.
I'm a female Gulf War veteran of 31 years. I don't want to have to go back to survival mode.
Darth Vader might be entertaining to Star Wars fans. Arnold Schwarzenegger might be hip to those who dig the Terminator franchise. The atmosphere and society of both in real life would really suck.
Of course I don't want Trump to win. Spoiler alert, he didn't win the first time he "won." This country chooses not to keep him away from the WH and they put up Joe Biden and Donald Trump as the options we have? No thanks.
I expect Biden to win. The Zionists will make sure he does (unless Trump "wins" again). I simply will not be voting for Biden and I will not be told that doing so puts Trump in the White House.
I will say, again, maybe this time it will stick: IT DOESN'T MATTER. SCOTUS IS BURNING THE CONSTITUTION, DESTROYING THE RIGHTS OF EVERYONE IN THE MAGA HATE AGENDA AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO AFTER 2024 JUST AS EFFICIENTLY AS THEY HAVE DONE DURING THE LAST 4 YEARS. We are already living in a dystopian hell where money controls everything and people literally believe 80 year old Biden, Zionist to his core, having already sent HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO ISRAEL gives a shit about other people. He's trying to woo Black people - the same cohort he made big promises to in 2020 - and what's happened?
Affirmative Action doesn't exist anymore.
No Police Reform had happened (in fact spending on cops is way up and they're still building cop city in Georgia and the murder of Black people by cop hasn't happened, hasn't even slowed down).
Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity as goals have been destroyed.
No shoring up of voting rights has happened (especially the John Lewis Voting Rights Act, sitting in a garbage can somewhere).
Teaching the actual history of the United States, especially enslavement and then the Civil Rights movement is being outlawed in this country, state by state.
More people than ever are incarcerated (incarcerated people can't vote and in most states formerly incarcerated people can't vote).
Oh and
Roe v. Wade has been overturned
The USPS is being destroyed to ensure vote by mail is destroyed.
Books have been banned at an astronomical rate
Child labor is back in vogue (children can't vote).
All of this and more has happened while Biden has been president. Why the fuck does anyone believe anything will change? And, I will say this AGAIN, Trump is not some sort of cyborg who will live forever. He's totally demented and deteriorating so quickly even his own MAGAts are walking out of his incomprehensible rallies where he spews unintelligible garbage.
The Democrats demand to put up an 80 year old for president and everyone who has supported Democrats is expected to step in line and vote for Biden or else.
Fuck that. Fuck Biden. Fuck the United States of Israel. Israel is committing genocide (and they are on track to succeed in wiping Palestinians off the face of the earth). And people believe Biden giving Israel hundreds of billions of dollars is no big deal while people here live on the streets, are robbed blind by companies and billionaires, are sick without care, are hungry without food, and are living in a country where the poisoning of the air, water, and land is lauded as "freedom."