"holding a paring knife "
The Slog gaslighting glares brightly
@1 HanHan doesn't deal in facts. This is a creative writing project for her AA.
@3: "but what about the blacks?"
The Lyles' case isn't about police accountability, it's about allowing persons with known mental-health issues to walk around with access to weapons. That situation will probably not end well, no matter who responds, so we should preclude it by getting the persons with mental-health issues the help they need, whether or not they consent to receiving such help. Blaming the cops harder won't resolve these problems, and worse, will distract from the real issue of police assaulting innocent persons who are not crazy.
The Stranger could do a tiny little bit toward this effort if it would just stop glorifying the practice of letting persons with mental-health issues camp in parks and greenbelts. Although the Stranger bitterly refuses to admit it, crime in the camps, and crime from the camps, is a huge problem in Seattle, and much of that crime originates from the untreated mental disorders of the campers. (That some of them 'treat' their mental disorders via street pharmacology does not, in fact, help anyone.)
Becomes ‘dominant,’ not ‘becomes dominate.’ What is this headline, a poorly written personal ad?
"Hiring bonuses for ferry workers! NOW! "
Have they even murdered enough unarmed civilians to merit a funding increase?
You are the absolute worst kind of human being - it's not a fucking game where you keep score.
Halfwits: Chicago is dangerous! So much gun violence!
The same halfwits: More guns make us safer!
The badge licking trolly-trolls are certainly triggered this morning, keep up the good work Hanna.
As to ferry workers, the entire maritime industry is having crewing problems right now, I've gotten no less than three cold calls in the last month alone, then the Washington State Ferry simply doesn't pay all that well, seafarers make substantially better pay hauling frieght or casting nets, add to that, the GOM oil patch is hiring like crazy right now.
In every other developed country Charleena Lyles would be alive, because their police are not trained to kill people brandishing a knife. Currently investigating police is pointless because they are trained and encouraged to kill legally. People refuse to believe that police are actual trained that way but it is right there in the training materials. Any small blade is to be treated as a deadly weapon, and deadly weapons should be met with gunfire to the most high percentage target, the torso. Until that is changed more people will die pointlessly. Some commenters here don’t care about that needless death, but their disturbed viewpoint is the minority locally, nationally and internationally.
@11 - The fact that other countries do policing better and are better trained and come from a better pool of candidates than America's vilified pool of ex-military did not influence the jury in coming to a unanimous decision on the particulars of an actual event where a life tragically ended and its participants are forever tormented.
@12. Cry me a river for those "just following orders."
@12 Amazing you were able to type that while simultaneously fellating both the military and police. "Forever tormented." Unlike Charleena Lyles, you piece of shit.
Whose orders @13? Are you conflating the jury trial with one of your favorite Godwin's law vignettes? We need a screenplay to follow such contorted thinking.
Dominant, not dominate. [ahem] I'm afraid that the only lesson our own worst politicians will glean from Johnson's downfall is "never, ever, apologize for anything."
@14: Yes, Charlene's kids (who are part of the event) are forever tormented as well as the officers. Appreciate you alerting me so I could clarify.
Technically, Boris has not yet resigned as PM, so that he can force the UK Taxpayers to pay for his wedding shindig, instead of doing the honourable thing and paying for it himself on his own property, but then, like Trump, he is both a Russian operative and a money-grubbing sell out, so that's fairly standard for this fucktwit.
@11, In this country, citizens, even citizens employed as cops, follow the democratically enacted laws that say you can use deadly force when at imminent threat of serious physical injury.
You remember 9/11? The pilots of those aircraft were slashed to death with box cutters. A razor blade in a small handle. Passengers that were killed prior to impact were also expeditiously slashed so they bled out in seconds.
Therefore we should allow gun on planes!
Impeccable logic, dipshit.
"In every other developed country Charleena Lyles would be alive..." because she long ago would have been forced into a treatment program, even against her will.
If we still had effective civil commitment in this country she would never have had the opportunity to lure the police into a trap.
I wonder how tormented the officers are who shot unarmed Jayland Walker in the back 60 times out of 90 rounds because they feared for their lives of a black man getting away from them after a traffic stop. I know black men running from authority is a capitol offense for the far white after Ahmaud Arbery, but I guess consequences only apply to retired cops.
Meanwhile, once again we have a white mass murderer take out a crowd, drive to another location to kill more, and get calmly detained with nary a scuff to his blood stained jackboots with all the delicate courtesy of a father to his newborn babe.
@15. A screenplay of your contorted thinking, eh? Okay. Here's how you look and sound when you try to sell us on the police.
@20. I wrote nothing of the sort.
Just using the example to demonstrate the fallacious reasoning that a small knife is not deadly. It's particularly deadly in a confined space.
The passengers on flight 93, met deadly force with deadly force. They did not save themselves, but nobody on the ground died.
Would you have been happier if the cop had grabbed a fry pan, struck Lyles into unconsciousness to stop her attack (while getting cut - serious physical injury) and she died at the hospital?
Human biology is such that the only thing that stops the threat from a determined attacker, is injuring them to the point they physically can't continue. Such a counter-attack comes with irreducible risk of also killing the attacker.
It makes this no less tragic; but once someone introduces that level of violence to an encounter, the risks of death of one, or all, participants is irreducibly high.
@22 The video shows Walker shooting at police from his car.
The police chasing him later on foot have every reason to believe he still has that gun and will shoot again, rather than take his ticket. He turns toward them, and reaches to his waste in the video. 8 officers, independently, and reasonably conclude he is going to draw and fire. They independently fire about 11 shots each, hitting with 5 or 6 shots each, until the threat stops, and then ceased. Until after the fact, each was unaware of the actions of the others. There isn't time to coordinate in a dyamic environment, the perceptual human capability to focus on anyone but the threat, or any assurance if it was possible to perceive other's defensive actions that they wiil suceed.
Stop and take the ticket. Nobody dies. If you choose to flee, don't use deadly force against your pursuers. Don't open the legal door for others to use deadly force on you by behavior that allows others to reasonably percieve imminent threat of serious physical injury. The more the pursued escalates, the more legal protections they surrender to their pursuer. Call it applied, real-world civics. Teach it in every school.
@22: Why do you extrapolate the decision of jury to consider tall these things? The Jayland Walker and Charleena Lyles cases are of course relevant to political and sociological discussions of police accountability but they are two separate events. Did you want the jury to consider negate the facts of the case and put more emphasis on other cases and police brutality as a whole?
"The more the pursued escalates, the more legal protections they surrender to their pursuer. Call it applied, real-world civics. Teach it in every school."
but make Sure you begin
where the Shootings are
in neighborhoods blighted
by 150 years of Jim Crow
they oughtta be 'used
to' the Slave Patrols
by now Shirley
@25. I'm sorry two separate (but equal) events confounded your grasp of a profound double standard because some fuckhead manipulated a jury with lizard brain psychobabble and identity politics for cold hard cash.
@27: Ok. I can now safely disregard your arguments as you're not making them in good faith.
Interesting commentary by the local intelligentsia
@19 So one mentally unbalanced, physically encumbered woman is equivalent to four combat-trained, highly disciplined and mission-focused men, as long as they're all armed only with small knives? Just seeking clarity on that point.
@28: Just quit while you're light years behind, you verbally flatulent ultra maroon.
That photo makes me think more of storm troopers than police officers trained and paid to protect and serve.
But I believe that was your point, Hannah.
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