"Oklahoma wants to out trans teens"

no.
they
and ALL
the Fascists
wanna ELIMINATE
ALL LGBTQs. Relax. it's
just Fascism gang & No-
thing to see Here by Gawd.

"No one,
let alone a majestic dolphin,
should have to die in New Jersey."

not without at
Least one Visit to
Satriale's Pork Store.

@1: No, it's not.

@4: Take a breather and quit hyperextrapolating the alphabet train in your incessant antifa windmill chasing. Parents have the right to protect the medical and psychological well being of their children.

@7 -- I find your Faith in
the Fascists' Lust for Justice
for the 'alphabet train' Disturbing

but nowhere Near as
Disturbing as when your
Fascists steal the next Elections.

you're not disturbed?
you Should be.

The Lake Union fire is pretty sad, and it's nowhere near the 1st one. I'd be curious to know if those sheds are sprinklered. I hope it's not a(nother) crazy firebug.

@7: Keep telling yourself that's all that's happening with these anti-Trans laws. Surely you can imagine a scenario in fucking Oklahoma where Johnny's parents are alerted that he wore makeup and a dress at school and their main concern isn't his "psychological well-being"?

@7
Uganda*
Passes Strict
Anti-Gay Bill That
Imposes Death Penalty for Some

The legislation, which now goes to the president, also calls for life in prison for anyone engaging in gay sex. Policies to stifle L.G.B.T.Q. rights have been on the rise in several African nations.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/22/world/africa/uganda-lgtbq-anti-gay-law.html

as the Planet & some of Our
States shift towards full-on
Fascism the Hits just keep
on a' Comin', baby!

see: de Santos
the trumpfster
& the so-called
"right"

*see also:
de Nile
dewey

Let me get this straight: The inmates spent all that time and energy scraping a hole in the wall, and then waited to be captured at an IHOP? They may be too stupid to exist outside of prison.

@11 - I think the boat fire was in outdoor storage racks, not sheds. Not sure if you can effectively sprinkler those. And the Farleyville encampment (which has been removed) was about half a mile west of where the fire occurred.

@13 they forgot to put a big poster of Raquel Welch over the hole.

@11 - Nice try bud. No, you're conflating the anti-gay Archie Bunker parents of yesteryear with generations of open minded progressive parents of today who are not anti-gay - but want the safeguards in place before irreversible procedures and medicalization is performed.

TLDR? Let the future adults make adult decisions for themselves.

At least the prisoners got a day out to enjoy. They do not seem to be stupid at all.

7 Kris is not going to shut up and there is nothing you can do about it.

fascists Hate
free speech

Unless you're
a Corporate
Behemoth.

@12: Are you suggesting that Uganda is the canary in the coal (I mean diamond) mine? Hardly. Which country is next, France?

Is there a need to light one's hair on fire over this now?

Unlike political movements, there's nothing to suggest that a particular country's repressive laws against sexual minorities sparks contagion of repression in other countries. Acceptance of homosexuality has ebbed and flowed for eons. You can't base your theories on the tyrannical regimes that have also ebbed and flowed throughout history.

@14, it was Rita Hayworth.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rita_Hayworth_and_Shawshank_Redemption

@21 it was Rita at first but by the time he escaped it was Raquel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABpeLNCuE3w

sometimes
Complacency
seems an Awful
lot like Complicity.

How many people have committed suicide rather than being evicted of being foreclosed on we wonder?

@18 skidmark I'm not sure if I'm reading that correctly because the wording is a little ambiguous, but is the situation that you're describing that the child commits suicide because the parents were not able to properly support the child because they did not know about their child's identity?

That is a plausible scenario, but there are also parents who would drive their child to suicide by harassing them about their identity. There are also scenarios where the child will at some point come out to their parents and be fine, but being outed will traumatize them. There are cases where it makes sense for a teacher to have a conversation with the parents about some support that a child needs, but mandating that this action be taken in every instance inevitably causes harm. These situations are delicate and the best course of action is dependent on the context. The bill lacks any.

@24 - no idea. But very very few shoot a cop first (which, regardless of how you feel about cops, is a really, really, really stupid thing to do).

The sad thing about this is that it could have been avoided. According to the Seattle Times, the woman who was being evicted had racked up $6k in back rent since April before proceedings started in the fall, or ~$1kmonth. The article also says she was taking classes in machining, which suggests at least some degree of able-bodiedness and literacy. In a time of record low unemployment, why was it impossible to get even a crappy minimum-age job and earn the $1000 monthly that would have prevented the eviction?

@15: you're confusing "generations of open-minded progressive parents of today who are not anti-gay" with church-going Oklahoma Republicans who think drag queens make kids trans.

@27: Half right. I'm talking about the "generations of open-minded progressive parents of today who are not anti-gay" AND the "church-going Oklahoma Republicans who think drag queens make kids trans".

They share the same parental concerns and responsibilities.

@19....here was an example of the denial of free speech just recently at Stanford Univerity's law school.

@bertha
MkMitch KkKonnell's Kangaroo
(formerly-Supreme) kourt made
"Free Speech" unaffordable for
the Masses & enabled Wealthy
peeps to purchase Politicians
who make the Laws for their
Sponsors and we the Peeps
are backdoored in perpet-
uity. is shouting someone
down the same thing?

that seems
Unlikely.

Bertha dear, I don't know what you were trying to outrage post, but Stanford is a private institution. They can deny all the "free speech" they want. If you think that the government should regulate private institutions, let's start with the churches.

No mention of the fire that destroyed yet another building on Rainier Avenue yesterday morning? This is the fourth building that has been consumed by fire on that stretch of Rainier in the last three years.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/buildings-roof-collapses-rainier-valley-fire/KHO4ZHN73JBXHP7AHMRVEY45GQ/

@4 and @8: kristofarian for the WIN!!

@7: raindrop, dear, leave kristofarian @4 alone. He is correct. The neofascist organization, Moms for Liberty, is led by Robin Steenman, who The New Yorker Magazine staff writer Paige Williams aptly describes in her article as resembling Marjorie Taylor Greene [Class Warfare: school boards are being attacked by partisan saboteurs, pg. 52-63, The New Yorker Magazine, Paige Williams, November 7, 2022]. Steenman, for all her angry whistleblowing over what she perceives as shaming white people has no children enrolled in Williamson County Schools, in suburban Nashville, Tennessee. Textbook subject material in public schools is being severely challenged by RWNJ groups, MAGAt bullies, and ex-military insurgents, many of whom like Steenman have no children in the schools they are violently protesting. Many of these insaniacs are running for public office, threatening retribution and / or "stop the steal" recount type bullshit if not elected (sound familiar?). What is happening in public schools--especially in red states and communities, is beyond alarming, and spreading like uncontrollable wildfire. I can't imagine being a parent in this current era.

@13 dvs99: Maybe there was an All-You-Can-Eat pancake special they couldn't resist? D'OH!
That really sounds like an "Inmates Too Stupid to be Crooks" story from America's Funniest Home Videos.

@21 Parah Sailin, @14 and @22 District13Refugee: @22 is correct about Rita Hayworth and Raquel Welch. In the film, The Shawshank Redemption (1994), based on the Stephen King short story, Rita Hayworth and the Shawshank Redemption, Andy Defresne (Tim Robbins) hung not one or two, but three posters in his cell:
First, a pin up of Rita Hayworth, then one of Marilyn Monroe. Finally, it is behind the third pin up, of Raquel Welch (who just died at age 82 on February 15, 2023. RIP, Raquel) from where Andy had successfully dug his escape route from his prison cell after 19 years incarcerated.
The Shawshank Redemption is disquietingly one of the most violent films in my DVD collection. I only own a copy because of its being based on a Stephen King story, and because the film adaptation stars Morgan Freeman and Tim Robbins in Oscar nominated performances. Plus, I developed a soft spot for both ill-fated inmates Brooks (James Whitmore) and Tommy (Gil Bellows).

@24 Ivy R. Nightscales and @26 dvs99: Excellent questions! I share your curiosity and concerns.

@11 Max Solomon: It really is sad about the South Lake Union boat fires, and that Seattle has an arsonist problem.

@34 Catalina Vel-DuRay: I am really sorry to hear about what is happening on Rainer Avenue. Has the arsonist been apprehended yet? Here is hoping that justice is served, and soon. Sadly, I swear I don't know Seattle anymore.

Catalina, please understand that even though Stanford University is a private institution it still receives a lot of money in the form of grants from the federal government and along with that there are conditions that apply. I mean why bother to invite a speaker just to shout them down. Aside from being blatantly rude it is also very unethical; it is also particularly bad when s faculty leader encourages this bad behavior. Did you know that the dean of the law school has written a formal apology and placed the faculty member in question on an indefinite leave? If you were in a theater and someone was in there who did not like the movie shouted down the dialogue and loudly booed at the screen? What happened to civility and decorum?

@20 -- "You can't
base your theories on
the tyrannical regimes that
have also ebbed and flowed throughout history."

well yeah
ya Can because
you can see it Happened
& you can see when it Happens Again

they even have a Name for it
they call it History. Hell they
even Teach it. it even
comes in Books if
ya can believe
That but we-
're gonna
BURN all
a' Them
Soon-
ish.

see: 1930's Germany and Spain and probably
Russia too and Italy -- it was a Movement
as it's Becoming TODAY. we owe an EN-
ORMOUS debt of Gratitude to Roopert
Mudroach for co-Sponsoring it HERE.

roopert fucking murdoch
shouts down*
Sanity for a
little bit of
Fascism.

how's THAT
for Cancel
Culture?

*see: the
Lying Liars
over at FOX.

@39 kristofarian: Further proving that we, as a developed nation, still haven't learned shit after 90 years: WWI, The Great Depression, the rise of fascism, Adolf Hitler, WWII, and the Cold War. History, when allowed to be forgotten often repeats itself. And if we don't do something to remove the current out of control neofascists hellbent on a reenactment of The Civil War and WWIII, the consequences globally will be GAME OVER for everybody.

It's already over Auntie; we're past the point of no return.

yeah auntie Gee I think we
gotta put all our Eggs in pretty
much one Basket -- our Young People

who can see thru this Capitalism
for the Farming of the Citizenry
the Harvesting of the Populace
the Collateral Damage of Un-
bridled Winner-take-ALL
Capitalism for what it
IS -- an Impositon
favoring the FEW
and Utterly Jet-
tisonable & re-
Move its Shac-
kles Pronto
Baby.

they're not Fools
well not Most
of them any-
ways.

Bazinga dear, my point is that Our Dear Bertha didn't post whatever it was that she (and apparently you) was/are so outraged about. I suspect it's the usual conservative issue de jour, since you people exist on being victims. Maybe someday, when either of you are the President (or even alumni) of Stanford, you can address this.

Meanwhile, I'm much more interested in this string of suspicious fires on Rainier Avenue. Who is doing this? "Unhoused neighbors"? Firebugs (like that Lutheran pastor's kid in Shoreline back in the 90's)? Insurance opportunists?

What's happening here?

can one not shout down the shouters?
& may the Most Persistent ones
or the LOUDEST Voices Win?
or may No one shout?

b. if the Fascists
choose to Ignore Ethics
are we Always required to Obey them?

like at anti-Abortion Clinic Rallies?
back when Abortion was Safe
Legal & a sometimes-Neces-
sary if not a Painful Choice
& the Zealots were there
screaming at women &
their Partners etcetera
does that make any
Difference? We got-
ta follow Decorum?

c. the reich wing
wants to exterminate
not completely sure but
Liberals LGBTQs anyone with
a Sense of Humor (or Absurdity)
with an IQ above Rock 'cept for the
Leaders who'll be Required to be Cunning
and The Patriarchs and will do ALL the Breeding
for the Cult. sorry Incels all's You're gonna get is Posters.

but they'll be H.O.TTT! & ok so c. when One side wants you Dead
what should one's Reaction be? Like bibi Nutnyahoo's?
the Stakes are pretty fucking High.

Well kristofarin, your passion has awakened my desire to watch Reds again sometime soon - if only for Warren Beatty and Diane Keaton.

well
the Arc
ain't gonna
bend Its Self.

@43 bertha and @44 kristofarian: Then what do we do to save the Earth, what's left of it, and its remaining sane inhabitants? Or do we all just die from senseless Trump / Putin / Xi Jinping / Kim Jong-un / Taliban / MAGAt / capitalism? I'm fresh out of survival ideas. And Antarctic glaciers are melting at an alarming rate. Suddenly it's Everything Everywhere All At Once.

I feel sorry for Californians statewide, what with snow and atmospheric flooding, like something out of Noah's Ark. Suddenly the freak pre-Christmas snow and ice storm 2022 seems tame by comparison.

The freeway rock thrower is back.
Pretty sure it's Matt Baume doing research for a new comic book character.

@49: I suggest apathy.

@39, 46 -- speaking
of norms, decorum
and Neofascists:

"Judge halts Wyoming's abortion ban: And moments later, a 22-year-old woman was arrested for trying to set fire to the building meant to house Wyoming's only full-service abortion clinc" --@TODAY's Schlog

thnx, Ashley!

@31- they may share the same parental fights and responsibilities. But only one of those groups appears to believe that said parental rights entitle them to infringe the rights of others. Or to attempt to eradicate another group from society. Not the same kind of people at all.

Bazinga dear, what did I mis-represent? Neither you nor Our Dear Bethat has really said what happened. I gather that there was some sort of guest lecturer and that some students objected rather loudly. Did you not go to college? Even at the diploma mill I attended, there were often provocative speakers that were greeted with scorn and derision.

As for Rainier Ave, no there is no neighborhood watch (that I know of). The area has gone through a rapid and somewhat startling transformation - from a light industrial area to an area with lots of new market-rate apartments and affluent private schools. It’s interesting that the torched buildings have all been empty, and we’re sort of boushy, with big surface lots.

nyt:
Free Speech
Doesn’t Mean Free
Rein to Shout Down Others

by David French
Chicago March 23, 2023

https://www.nytimes.com/newsletters/signup/DF

one reader's comment

I look at the last couple of years' worth of "radical" attempts to silence speech, and I can't help but see armed militia members storming the Michigan capital, armed militia members killing protestors in Wisconsin (and walking away without even being stopped by the police, who so often share this ideology of violence), armed militia members storming the US Capital to prevent an election....

And then we have this commentary [by David French], so full of indignation, so hurt that a "man in power" should be booed in public. I wonder if you are at all aware of the arrogance, the sense of absurd self-importance reflected in these sentences?
--MR; Chicago March 23, 2023

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/23/opinion/free-speech-campus.html#commentsContainer

kinda Hard for me
to Equate the
two too MR:

the Rudeness vs.
the domestic
terrorists

it's just not
Adding Up.

Catalina I will try to explain to you what was going on. Recently, March 09 I believe, Federal judge Stuart Kyle Duncan was at Stanford U. to give a lecture to a group of law students; he was invited by the university to do so. It seems that a number of the law students did not like him and he was booed, called vulgar names, and basically shouted down to effectively prevent him from speaking. The unruly student were encouraged do so by a person named Tiren Steinbach who is the Associate Dean for Diversity; when she introduced him she mocked and insulted him. Judge Kyle simply left the auditorium; he was effectively denied his free speech rights.

The Dean of the law school has since written a letter of apology to Judge Kyle put Tieren Steinbach on indefinite leave with disciplinary committee to review the matter.

The original comment was intended for Kristofarian as a response to his remark @19; he knew to what I was referring to. I just presumed that most of the readers, especially you, were aware of what had been going on at Stanford as the incident has been widely covered in the news.

au contraire, bertha
that was merely
a Lucky guess.

but it was nice to see my comment
(@46) somewhat echoed by the
nyt commentariat (@56).

who are the
Real Vicitms
here? dammit
I wanna BE one.

Who would have thought so Kristofarian? Tergiversation always abounds here in the slog.

another great comment from @56

"I really don’t understand why the media continue to claim that students who shut down debates on campus are somehow worse than politicians and courts that actually pass laws limiting free speech, the right to protest, or the right to make medical decisions about one’s own body." --JR; MD

once again
who are the
Real victims
here bertha?

Students who shut down speech they don't like are no worse and certainly no better. People in charge somehow always seem to morph into fascism. Don't they say that power corrupts? Diversity and inclusivity always seems to allow for separatism as well; ripe fruit tends to rot with time. There is no way that the people of this earth will ever unite under one banner. Corporations are corrupt, so are the union bosses. We got you a contract, now get to work pay your dues and don't bother us until its time to negotiate a new contract. Liberal congress person, make sure that the defense industry sends money our way so that we can make money building arms for peaceful purposes. Conservative congress person, don't bother with pollution controls, build that arms plant; send the wastes down river to somewhere else. And don't forget to pass out the drugs so that we will all be happy.

Thank you for the explanation, Bertha dear.

I do have a bit of experience in this, albeit from The Stone Age. At the aforementioned diploma mill (The University of Iowa) we had a student lecture board that invited speakers of all political ideologies to speak. Some of them were not well-received, but the reactions were usually limited to protests in the lobby of the ballroom at the student union (where I was the Night Manager for several years). Occasionally unpleasantness erupted in the ballroom itself: I remember an address by an official of the Apartheid-Era South African government which became a real donnybrook.

I do think it was tacky of the faculty member at Stanford to provide that sort of introduction, but as for the students - half of them will become dreary Conservatives by the time they've been attorneys for a few years, but the chance of any of them arguing a case before that particular judge is extremely remote.

@51: No, raindrop dear. I'm more on board with empathy. It seems to be in short supply as of late.
Methinks it has a lot to do with the world's currently unsustainable human population being in excess of 8 billion people.

@53: Ah, yes. It makes sense that Batshit, the transient Okie howler monkey would claim to be the reigning expert on meth. Now if he could only catch up with his tail before routinely dropping senselessly to the floor.

@59 kristofarian: "Who are the
Real Victims
here? Dammit
I wanna BE one"

In this current era of widely spreading global terrorism and neofascism, out of control cyber-technology, willful media misinformation, the U.S.'s rape culture & societal misogyny, systematic racism, unregulated KKKorporate greed, rubber-stamped over-development for profit real estate builders seeking to cash in on luxury condos at $5 million a pop (affordable housing be damned), am I reading you right, kris?