Judging by that photo, it appears that commitment to "Uncommitted" is pretty weak, maybe because when you find AOC is too far to your Right, your compass needs a reboot.

All my rels in California are voting Biden Harris. And wading through the long list of Initiatives

We're in California (Bay Area) and there wasn't a single initiative on our ballot this time.

Also, "evil administration" is just a bit hyperbolic, isn't it? Compared to what kind of administration we had 2016-2020 and would get again if Biden loses. So, old guy who seems competent (but doesn't entirely agree with your take on foreign policy) or the old guy who will end democracy, freedom of everything, who will kill journalists (or stochastically terrorise others into killing them) and deport everyone else he doesn't like? Hmmm. Tough choice.

It's hilarious watching the wacktivists alienate their allies as usual. Then they rationalize themselves for being isolated and politically impotent because they are brave truth tellers, instead of under-employed toddlers in adult bodies. Eventually, most of them grow up under the pressure of reality, while the rest become those tiresome babbling older losers who hang on the perimeter of every left-of-center organization.

“According to the staffers, she probably would have called off Israel's bombardment a while ago if it weren't for Biden.”

You do understand that no one in the United States can “call off Israel’s bombardment,” correct? Please say you do, because, as both AOC and some commenters here have now informed you, you have already gone well beyond embarrassing.

The only genocide was by Hamas, on 10/7, in Israel. Israel will protect its citizens — as it is required to do, under the Genocide Convention — by destroying Hamas. So please stop abusing the word “genocide,” stop demanding a Hamas-helping Israeli “ceasefire,” and get to work demanding the international community destroy Hamas. Actions include, but need not be limited to: extraditing Hamas’ leaders from countries that harbor them, disruption of Hamas’ arms supplies, and legal actions against persons involved in financing of Hamas.

If you continue to wallow in your fantasy about Biden-Harris telling Israel to stop, then you help only Trump.

No one currently in the federal government deserves to remain there. Biden needs to go (preferably to be tried at the Hague and then imprisoned, but I'll take a nursing home). Trump needs to go to prison or be put six feet under (right next to where he buried his ex-wife on his golf course, or better yet, in an unnamed dump).

The United States' refusal to stop the genocide in Palestine and simply continue to send billions and billions of working Americans taxpayer dollars (they're the only people paying taxes in this country) and metric fuck tons of weapons and pretending that it isn't all in on exterminating 2.2 million human beings in under a year (remind me again how long WW2 was and how long the Holocaust went on? /s) will truly be its undoing.

Trump started the fire. Biden will be the one to make sure it burns everything down. If you aren't prepared for everything that's about to happen in this country, you better pull your head out of your ass and get a grip on reality.

Harrell's Comprehensive Plan allows so few new homes. All I can conclude is that Harrell and Seattle homeowners love having homeless people and want to create more.

Jesus Christ. Fuck the Stranger. Virtue signaling us into a fascist dictatorship you entitled fucking idiots.

@4 and 6 two people or groups can both be bad it doesn't need to be one or the other

@8, Hannah- building 100k new homes in a decade or so is a huge project. With permitting delays, financing issues, the inevitable NIMBY wars, etc., that would be a hell of an accomplishment. Do you really have ideas about how to exceed that?

@10 true but in this case its not even close and TS continuing with their one sided "coverage" is really really sad and sickening to witness. Just today the UN confirmed Hamas employed sexual violence as part of their attacks on Oct 7th and has continued to do so with their hostages. There is also reports a ceasefire is on the table and Hamas is the one dragging things out. This is who Hannah and TS are standing with as they push for an uncommitted vote.

@11 yes The Stranger wrote a whole article about it:

https://www.thestranger.com/guest-editorial/2022/08/18/77997043/join-seattles-movement-for-abundant-housing

I can only assume DSA (and their TS sycophants) want a second Trump presidency based upon the hyperbolic language from their news releases / reporter coverage (guessing they just can’t raise money under a Democratic administration). I only hope for the benefit of this country that their plan fails.

This Administration is not "Evil", FFS. Biden is not "Evil". Standing by a 75-year ally after 10/7 is what consensus US policy looks like. Burn that bridge with ultimatums and you alienate 99% of Jewish voters in the US.

Does the Biden Admin want Israel to agree to a ceasefire and wrap it up? Every fucking day, no doubt. Grow up.

You too, Xina, with your "Biden to the Hague" BS. Do you want Yahya Sinwar to the Hague?

Harris is to Biden as Humphrey was to Johnson. Oh when will the Dems ever learn? (They won’t)

If the Useful Idiot Coalition weren't calling the Biden administration "evil" over this issue it would be another one. There's always something that's The Most Important Thing That Can't Wait Another Minute, and this year it's the 80-year-old Israel / Palestinian crisis. The Progressive Wing's fondness for endless online purity purges makes them natural suckers to appeals to cannibalize their own political prospects over the outrage du jour, and they rarely disappoint.

17: Then how do you parse this quote?

“Pramila Patten, the UN's Special Representative on Sexual Violence in Conflict, said her team had "found clear and convincing information that sexual violence, including rape, sexualised torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment" had been committed against hostages. There were "reasonable grounds" to believe such violence could be "ongoing against those still held in captivity", she told reporters.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68474899.amp

I'll be voting to repeal the capital gains tax, repeal the carbon tax, and to make the long-term care act optional, whereupon I will opt out.

Welcome Xina, @7. Been a while since I laughed at your unhinged commentary. Breath of fresh air.

Democrats have been posing as the exclusive champions and guardians of democracy. They now have to contend with the failure of their attempts to disqualify Trump from the election ballot, keeping voters from picking their President rather than D.C. elites - efforts which took place while most polls indicated his lead, and were ultimately rejected by justices like Ketanji and Sotomayor in a unanimous Supreme Court decision.

@11: No, but the Stranger published a ludicrous, pie-in-the-sky fantasy “vision” of hundreds of thousands of new housing units magically appearing from making zoning changes and spending no money: https://www.thestranger.com/guest-editorial/2022/08/18/77997043/join-seattles-movement-for-abundant-housing

Re: Yahya Sinwar, NO.

There is no WAR. A population under occupation has a right to fight back against its oppression. Over 75 years now. And if we're going to talk about the Hague, let's talk about Israel and its leadership - as it lied about 10/7, it murdered its own people to justify genocide, its been running a propaganda campaign in the United States (in the New York Times, in ads during the Superbowl, etc.), and it is using its relationship with the United States to the fullest extent it can before being stopped.

Why aren't people in this country upset that hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars have been given to Israel (even before 10/7)? Why does the United States allow homelessness, hunger, lack of health care, crushing debt for education required for employment, the poisoning of air, land, and water, the total and complete corruption of the entire government - so that ISRAEL can have housing, health care, education, psychopath soldiers, and exterminate 2.2 million people off the face of the earth?

Why do people in this country not care at all? I mean I get why no one in this country cares about genocide, the United States is racist AF, but all that money? All anyone in this country cares about is money. HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS GIVEN TO ISRAEL SO THEY CAN HAVE WHATEVER THEY WANT AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO THE PEOPLE IMPRISONED IN PALESTINE. You'd think at the very least the conservatives who steal billions of dollars from Americans for themselves would be the first, at the very least, to balk at all of the billions of dollars being stole from them (they don't care about the Americans in need) to fund Israel's every single need.

@23: “…as it lied about 10/7, it murdered its own people to justify genocide,”

And over the shark she jumps!

‘Bye!

The Long Term Care program as designed is a dumpster fire, has no portability or premium returns or transfer to a private plan if you move, and has a woefully low lifetime cap that might pay for 90 days in an assisted living at today's rates. We don't see ballot initiatives to repeal unemployment insurance, worker's comp, or paid family leave because those programs were largely designed and implemented properly, the LTC scheme as it is currently set up is a mess.

"Why does
the United States
allow homelessness,
hunger, lack of health care,
crushing debt for education re-
quired for employment, the poison-
ing of air, land, and water, the total and
complete corruption of the entire govern-
ment - so that ISRAEL can have housing, health
care, education, psychopath soldiers, and exterminate

2.2 million
people off the
face of the earth?"

Excellent
question
xina. thank
God it ain't
Genocide. think
how Bad we'd feel

@27: So, will you be joining Johnstone and xina in rape denial, or are you personally sticking with the apologist route?

‘A UN team says there is "convincing information" that hostages held in Gaza have been subjected to sexual violence including rape and sexualised torture.

‘There were grounds to suspect the abuse was still ongoing, the UN said.

‘The UN team also found "reasonable grounds to believe" sexual violence, including gang rape, took place when Hamas attacked Israel on 7 October.‘

(https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68474899.amp), thanks @19.

@24, numerous ISRAELI sources of confirmed it - numerous Israelis were killed by their own. No shark jumping, especially when we live in a time when such information cannot be easily hid and has and is readily proven, repeatedly, by multiple sources, FFS. I'll give you two.

Another Israeli witness confirms Israeli tanks killed own citizens on Oct. 7
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/another-israeli-witness-confirms-israeli-tanks-killed-own-citizens-on-oct-7/3079514

Evidence shows Israel killed many of its own citizens on Oct. 7, then blamed Hamas
https://www.liberationnews.org/evidence-shows-israel-killed-many-of-its-own-citizens-on-oct-7-then-blamed-hamas/

The sources for this narrative are testimonies from Israeli civilian witnesses, Israeli military participants and Israeli military analysts. Their comments were gathered from the mainstream Israeli media, including Haaretz, Israel’s newspaper of record, with the relevant information buried in the middle of articles. This information has been assembled and reported in English primarily by independent media, including The Electronic Intifada, Mondoweiss and The Grayzone.

There were no 40 dead babies (beheaded or otherwise). And so many other lies.

But I suspect you don't give a shit about the actual facts or truth or what Israel did or didn't do during the attack on 10/7 in order to justify their scorched earth assault on Gaza and the extermination of all Palestinians, right?

And let's not forget all of the items the IJC laid out as genocidal acts Israel must stop and/or not engage in! Israel's taken that like a fucking TO DO LIST since then and NO ONE HAS STOPPED THEM.

Everyone in this country who believes Israel has the right to slaughter 2.2 million people because they want Palestine and are sick of their illegal occupation (and by their I mean Israel's illegal occupation) and just want to take over Palestine completely already is OUT OF THEIR FUCKING MINDS. If they get away with this (and it's looking like they will) and you believe anyone in the world who has the power and the might (meaning wealthy and white and access to the United States war chest) won't do it when they want something someone else has, you are thoroughly delusional. And it won't matter, farther down the line, if the people sitting on land or resources that are wanted are not Arabs, not Africans, or any other population that white people care about being wiped off the face of the earth. We've already seen the Germans do it to the Jews and they were outraged because it was done to WHITE PEOPLE. Well, it's going to happen to more and more "white people" and no one is going to give a fuck then if they don't give a fuck now. I'm sure you know how the saying goes.

It's truly incomprehensible how people will argue that genocide is justified.

"It's truly incomprehensible
how people will argue
that genocide is
justified."

ez
peasy
if you merely
call it something Else

in the right
Handsies
morality
can be
Quite
Flex-
ible.

@29 ooh The Grayzone said it so it must be true! Oh wait, is this the same The Grayzone that's totally onboard with the actually genocidal campaign the Chinese government is waging against the Uighurs!? The one that's basically a Russian propaganda outlet? oops.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone#Reception

@33 Children are literally starving to death. Their tiny emaciated bodies are being put on display to try to make people care. I am not full of shit, you are a big fat toilet clogging piece of shit.

Can't say for certain, but it seems pretty plausible they'll announce Kamala replacing him at the convention in August.

@31: So, what do you get from denying Hamas' genocide* in Israel on 10/7? From making (or taking) some double-secret meaning of "genocide" you persistently refuse to define, and (mis?)applying it to Israel? From denying or disparaging accounts of gang-rape? What makes all of that so incredibly valuable to you, that you come here multiple times daily, for months, to do it?

*"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
...
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;"

(https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.1_Convention%20on%20the%20Prevention%20and%20Punishment%20of%20the%20Crime%20of%20Genocide.pdf)

@37 you, in your own post, prove that Israel is committing genocide.
Where, exactly, did I refuse to define genocide, oh right I didn't).

I can copy and paste just like you (from the same source):
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml
"Genocide can also be committed against only a part of the group, as long as that part is identifiable (including within a geographically limited area) and “substantial.”"

What exactly is substantial though? 50,000? 100,000? 1 million? 2 million? Who gets to decide what substantial is? How many children slaughtered and starved, maimed and orphaned, make it substantial?

This isn't about semantics, it is about ACTUAL LIVES, EVERY SINGLE LIFE TAKEN and the thorough and purposeful destruction of everything in Gaza.

Prof. John Mearsheimer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnNDEhqIlvE

“Clear Intention of Ethnic Cleansing”: Israeli Holocaust Scholar Omer Bartov Warns of Genocide in Gaza https://www.democracynow.org/2023/11/10/bartov_genocide_apartheid

No matter how you deflect and accuse, facts are facts. Your opinion and my opinion do not matter, not in the face of facts, of truth, of reality.

I, at least, can look at myself in the mirror and sleep with a clear conscience. Aaron Bushnell self immolating didn't stop the U.S. from aiding, abetting, arming, and funding Israel's genocide. Given that, it is unlikely that anything will.

The U.S. will suffer catastrophic consequences for it's actions. And I won't have to prove it.

nyt:

‘Uncommitted’
Draws Strong Support
Against Biden in Minnesota

The effort to pressure the president over his support for Israel garnered a sizable share of the vote, despite being more hastily organized. Voters in other states also voiced unease.

The movement objecting to President Biden’s position on Israel by voting “uncommitted” drew a significant share of the vote on Tuesday in Minnesota despite having a hastily organized and low-budget campaign.

The Biden campaign, which has tried to downplay the significance of the “uncommitted” efforts, issued a statement early Wednesday about the Minnesota results.

“The president believes making your voice heard and participating in our democracy is fundamental to who we are as Americans,” said Lauren Hitt, a campaign spokeswoman. “He shares the goal for an end to the violence and a just, lasting peace in the Middle East. He’s working tirelessly to that end.”

Uncommitted votes in Minnesota’s
Democratic primary were
highest in areas with
younger voters.

--by Nicholas Nehamas and Reid J. Epstein

tonnes more:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/05/us/politics/biden-uncommitted-protest-vote-minnesota.html

looks like not Everyone’s
Convinced genociding
Israel’s way to a One
State/Final Solution

with OUR A$$istance

is the Correct
way to go.

Bravo,
America.
or, Some of her.
Let's keep UP the Pressure:

"Uncommitted" '24:
just say Fuck NO!
to Nutnyahoo.

"This isn't about semantics,
it is about ACTUAL LIVES, EVERY
SINGLE LIFE TAKEN and the thorough
and purposeful destruction of everything in Gaza."

for some of
tS's commentariat
it's ALL about the Antics of Semantics
and none moreso than our dear Wormtongue

here to Convince US
what we're seeing isn't
really Happening. it's just a
little War on Gazans. Hamas. whatever

'So Get
Over it.'

@37
what Is it with
you and your constant
Harping at me to adopt YOUR definitions?

nyt:
The War
That Will Haunt
Democrats Through the Campaign

When Adam Schiff [D CA]
took the stage Tuesday night
at his victory party at the Avalon,
a[n] historic nightclub in Hollywood,
protesters interrupted his speech, chanting,

“Cease-fire now.”

When he tried to talk over them, they continued chanting, switching to “Let Gaza live.” At one point, Schiff’s supporters attempted to drown out the protesters by chanting “Adam, Adam,” but the whole thing devolved into a cacophony of noise.

Schiff, who is now likely to be the next senator from California, quickly wrapped up his remarks, but as attendees left the event, they were greeted by more protesters chanting, “Not another penny, not another dime, no more money for Israel’s crime.”

The protesters had won the evening. They had focused attention on their issue and signaled to Democrats, who many believe should be opposing the war in Gaza, that they will not simply allow events to continue as usual while a genocide is unfolding.

But I would argue that these war protesters feel even more urgency and are possessed of even more moral conviction because tens of thousands of people have died in a war that many of its opponents insist is being condoned and financed by the United States under a Democratic president.

And last week
UNICEF warned
that an “explosion”
in child deaths in Gaza
was imminent if a burgeoning
nutrition crisis there wasn’t resolved.

--by Charles M. Blow
Opinion Columnist, re-
porting from Los Angeles

more:
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/03/05/opinion/thepoint#gaza-protesters-democrats-schiff

oh Gosh wormy
now even the NYT’s
not calling it a Massacre
nor Ethnic Cleansing or even
Genocide Lite. you’d best send
Send off a Thousand Missives pronto
let ‘em know your Serious Displeasure

at not Adhereing to Your Stringent Needs
and personal interpretations of
all things Genocidal

I’m certain
they’ll issue
numerous Re-
tractions & perhaps
appoint YOU as their
new Voice of The Empire!

END the
Fucking
Genocide:

Ceasefire NOW.
and Escort BiBi
OFF the Stage.

@42: They’re not “MY” definition(s), that’s just the actual definition of “genocide,” upon which the entire world has agreed for decades. That’s the definition the ICJ uses when it considers South Africa’s accusations against Israel. You’re the one ignoring that definition, and loudly trying to substitute your own. You reveal your dishonest intentions when you refuse to provide whatever definition(s) YOU are using. (And when you refuse even to consider whether Hamas committed genocide in Israel on 10/7.)

And yet again, the New York Times becomes Unquestionable Arbiter of Absolute Truth when it publishes anything you like, just like it becomes an organ of “Imperial propaganda” the moment it publishes anything you happen not to like. (Reading your stuff comes across like an un-entertaining rough draft of “Constellation.”)

And, Reading Comprehension 101, the New York Times didn’t call it genocide; an opinion columnist merely parroted protestors’ misuse of the word. (After admitting the protestors had no actual effect upon anything.) You really are grasping at straws now.

your
desperation
shows wormmy

I bet
BiBi's
gettin' a
little Nervous too.

@44: Yeah, and ol’ Bibi’ll REALLY be scared after a few persons in Seattle vote “uncommitted” in a meaningless Democratic primary!!1!

(The sad part is, you seem actually to believe that…)

Jews call it genocide. Take up your argument with them.

https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2024/01/11/israels-war-textbook-genocide/

Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism. Zionists are white supremacists cloaking themselves in religion so they can call anyone against them an anti-Semite (with absolutely no understanding of what anti-Semite means). Palestine was populated with Christians, Jews, and Muslims before white Europeans gave it away and told survivors of the Holocaust it was "Israel."

"Israel" does not exist. There is only Palestine.

but
if it's
"meaningless"
wormmy why on Earth
are you here Protesting so
Vehemently? you're nervous too

can't Say as
I blame ya

it's either
gonna be
Ceasefire or
Armmafucking
Geddon. which one'll
BiBi Nutnyahoo Choose?

@xina
the Israeli
Narrative is
Dying under
BiBi Nutnyahoo

looks like Doc
King's correct
re the Moral
Arc of the
Universe

should
they Not
happen to
Blow it all up

@47: “…why on Earth
are you here Protesting so
Vehemently?”

You meant, “Laughing so Loudly,” correct?

But please, by all means, keep telling yourself how delegates in Seattle — the city which spent its last two election cycles dumping far-left elected officials, in favor of folks who’ll all always vote for Biden, every time — will vote “uncommitted.”

And that Bibi will care if they do.

Meanwhile, I’ll get more popcorn.

dewey

(& I hate
being the
one to hafta
tell you this but
you've a Bad Case
of the Dunning Krogers)

(you with your Extensive Degrees
in Psychology et al plus Tenure, right?)

anti-Zionism
ain't anti-Jew

but you're
like a kid desperate
for Attention -- you've
heard this a million times

wormmy
what udder
Nonsense are
you pontificating?

I see you've
Finally Abandoned
your Websters International

gig.

@50: Speaking of words and their definitions, do Hamas’ actions in Israel in 10/7 meet your definition of “genocide,” or not? Simple yes or no will suffice.

Good luck with that!

Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. Again, take up your argument with the Jews. So many of you here love to believe your opinions are facts. I am not anti-Semite. I am, however, anti-Zionist.

https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/resource/zionism/

Every pro-Zionist on this platform would cry like a bitch if someone showed up where they lived and tossed their ass out saying God told them it belonged to them now and they could leave or be killed. Seriously, the virulent justification of exterminating over two million people by any and all means necessary by so many here is truly sickening. Pure fucking evil.

And since you obviously need to be reminded, Germans exterminated Jews in the Holocaust, not Palestinians. Europeans "gifted" Palestine to the Jews as reparations for the Holocaust, and yet it wasn't theirs to gift, they simply didn't want Jews to live in Europe and neither did the United States.

@53

speaking of
“self-hating Jews”

from the nyt:

Mainstream Democrats, watching the politics around Israel’s war in Gaza shift against them,

[See: Vote 'Uncommitted']*

are pressing President Biden to become far more outspoken in his criticism of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s right-wing government and far more upfront in his demands for a long-term solution to the conflict that includes a Palestinian state.

At the outset of the war, with memories fresh from Hamas’s terrorist attack on Israel that took around 1,200 lives, Jewish Democrats who had grown restive more than a year ago over Mr. Netanyahu’s governance largely rallied around Mr. Biden as he sided firmly with Israel.

More than a dozen Jewish Democrats in the House spearheaded a critical letter late last month demanding Mr. Biden “redouble” his efforts to achieve a cease-fire that facilitates more humanitarian aid to starving Gazans.

Many of the same lawmakers on Wednesday warned against an Israeli strike on the city of Rafah, along the Gaza-Egypt border, where hundreds of thousands of displaced civilians have sheltered.
--by Jonathan Weisman

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/07/us/politics/biden-gaza.html

yeah:
mind the
Genocide
mr President.

don’t make Dems
sit This one Out.

*gosh
wormmy!
it Seems to
be Working!

who Knew
We just Might
Have an actual Voice?!*

make genocide Joe
Peacenik Joe and
see El trumpf-
ster wither
on the
Vine.

*You did!

mind the
Genocide
mr President.

don’t make Dems
& Independents
sit This one Out.

@55, @56: So, a few Democrats demand the President talk. Firmly. That oughta solve everything right quick! Progress!!

Speaking of genocide*, does “…Hamas’s terrorist attack on Israel that took around 1,200 lives,” meet your definition? Why or why not?

*Your definition, which you have yet to give; not to be confused with actual definition in the Genocide Convention, which the whole world has used for many decades.

your undying fealty
for War Crimes*
makes you an
unreliable
'witness'
to them
wormmy.

*Nutnhyahoo's
yet not Hamas'

@58: I haven’t claimed to “witness” anything. I’m asking you whether Hamas committed “genocide,” per whatever you mean by “genocide.” That’s all. A simple yes or no will suffice.

(If you want to, actually, you know, provide the definition of “genocide” you’re using, that would be great, too.)

I don't think Biden has lost the youth vote. He may have lost the Angry Undergraduate vote, but he never had them to begin with.

@60: Once this crowd finds the 75-year Arab-Israeli conflict has easily defied their cheaply plagiarized ‘solutions,’ they will all wander away in search of some other Big Issue upon which to signal their Pure Virtue. No biggie.

@61

Pure
Projection
Wormtongue
But we Expect no Less.

@62: Per your definition of “genocide,” did Hamas commit genocide in Israel on 10/7? It’s a simple “yes,” or “no,” answer. (You can type one word, right?)

@63

"there is
NEVER ANY
Excuse for Terrorism.

fucking EVER."

you, paraphrased.

all those 2Klb
Bunker Busters
we rained down
on Gazans? is the
Terror they're recieving
Terrorism? Dictionarily, if you would.

and whattabout all their
Homes? Disintegrated
plowed Under along
with how Many 10s
of thousands inter-
red Forever into
the Gazan Soil.
do You Cont-
end that's
NOT Ter-
rorism
Too?

how 'Bout
if they're being
STARVED to DEATH
the Famine barely Days
away -- is that not Terrorism?

their
Terrified
children shredded
like wheat. is that not Terrorism
as well? your Learned Opinion is Very

Important to US:
we Need the
Sociopath-
ic POV
too.

thanks,
Wormmy!

@64
substitute
'Justification'
for "Excuse" and
be more Acccurate.

apologies!

@64, @65: That's a whole load of cheap melodramatic whataboutism, obviously just to avoid typing a simple "yes," or "no."

Is your definition of "genocide" so utterly deficient, it can't even be employed to answer that simple question?

Or will even your definition produce an answer you simply don't want to give?

Given your long-demonstrated abject incompetence with all things words, I'd go with the former, but I'm willing to give you credit for the latter, if you'd show your work.

@66

'a
whole load
of cheap melodramatics'

yeah.
Gazans'
LIVES Are
cheap aren't they?

ok.

so
you
Refuse
to Answer
as per usual.

"there is
NEVER any
Justification
for Terrorism.

EVER."

so
Justify
the Gazans'
holy Terror Wormtongue.

we
Know
You can do
it if anyone can.

all those
Dead.

for
What
exactly?

to rescue
the Hostages?

THREE
so far.
in Five
Months.

on the Other side?
THIRTY THOUSAND DEAD
and at Least untold Thousands
Buried ALIVE. for Three rescued Hostages.

so
easily
& readily
Dismissed
hand-waved Away
just like Pontius Pilates with your simple

'a
whole load
of cheap melodramatics'

thank
god it
ain't Genocide.

67: Per your definition of "genocide," did Hamas commit genocide in Israel on 10/7? That's a simple yes or no.

Once you manage to type that one word, we can continue on the topic of hostages:

"U.N. finds 'clear and convincing' information that hostages have been raped in Gaza"

'A senior U.N. official also found “reasonable grounds to believe” accounts of rape and gang rape during Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack on Israel.'

'“Based on the information it gathered, the mission team found clear and convincing information that sexual violence, including rape, sexualized torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment has been committed against hostages," the U.N. said in a report, adding that it "has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may be ongoing against those still held in captivity.”'

(https://www.nbcnews.com/investigations/un-finds-clear-convincing-information-hostages-raped-gaza-rcna141789)

So yes, Israel will continue trying to rescue hostages. Please let us know if you need even more help in understanding why.

yeah
wormmy
BiBi's really
showed eveyone
his "committment"
to bringing them Home

/S

more on
the Army
you Love
to defend:

Israel Accused
Of Torturing UN Workers
To Obtain False Testimony About UNRWA

A recent UNRWA document says its staff report having been tortured while detained by Israeli forces, who pressed them to provide false statements about ties between the agency and Hamas.

“The document said several UNRWA Palestinian staffers had been detained by the Israeli army, and added that the ill-treatment and abuse they said they had experienced included severe physical beatings, waterboarding, and threats of harm to family members,” Reuters reports, saying UNRWA workers “reported having been pressured by Israeli authorities into falsely stating that the agency has Hamas links and that staff took part in the Oct. 7 attacks.”

This is another one of those stories about Israeli offenses that are so stunning that at first you can mistakenly believe you must not be reading it correctly — especially since the western political-media class haven’t been treating it like the jarring news that it is.

If we had anything remotely like an objective news media in the western world, reports that Israel tortured United Nations staff to get them to make false statements against a UN aid agency would be the top story everywhere for days.

--by Caitlin Johnstone

more:
https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/israel-accused-of-torturing-un-workers

"there is
NEVER any
Justification
for Terrorism.

EVER."

how 'bout
Torture Wormtongue?
can you Justify that as well?

then
we'll
'talk.'

@69: Again, it's a yes or no question. Even though your inability with language has been tediously self-documented here for quite a loooooooong time, I hadn't expected just two monosyllabic words to kick your ass with such relentless glee for this long.

Also, your immediate abandonment of the hostage topic YOU had introduced was truly amazing, even for you. Thanks for revealing the absolute upper limit of your moral strength. (As if you then needed to show your obedience to Johnstone's order for absolute rape denial, you quoted her as a source for your next whataboutism.)

Seeing how you introduced both the topics of Hamas' hostage, and the UWRWA, yeah, UNRWA has some hostage-related problems:

"Israel told the United Nations Relief and Works Agency last month that Faisal Ali Musalam Naami, 45, and 11 other UNRWA employees participated in or lent support to the Hamas-led assault on southern Israel that precipitated Israel’s war in the Gaza Strip. Israeli authorities have said Hamas and allied gunmen killed 1,200 Israelis and took 253 people to Gaza as hostages."

[...]

"The CCTV footage, located independently by The Washington Post, provides a fuller picture than the brief account in the public dossier, which identified Naami as a social worker and accused him of being part of a Hamas brigade in his Gaza hometown of Nuseirat.

"After he was named in confidential Israeli documents last month, The Post found images of Naami online and then used facial recognition software to find a likely match for him in footage from Oct. 7. The Post found other indications pointing to Naami as the individual in the footage. A Nissan Terrano II in the footage appears consistent with the make and model of car that Naami is pictured with in social media posts, including damaged trim on a rear window."

(https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2024/02/16/unrwa-video-oct-7-israel/)

And now, your single most reliable source (snicker) quotes a UNRWA report which accuses Israelis of abusing UNRWA staff. The release of this 'report' comes at a most welcome time for UNRWA, so this is certainly totally obviously a complete coincidence, right?

(What investigatory powers has UNRWA? Can they issue subpoenas? If a witness lies to UNRWA, can the witness be prosecuted for perjury? What are the journalistic standards to which UNRWA is held?)

Whatabout genocide? Did Hamas commit it in Israel on 10/7, with or without the assistance of UNRWA employees?

Please do tell us.
One Word.
One
1

Caitlin's
Johnstone's
"rape denial"
what? where?
when? Quotes
& Citations or it
came outta your

Asshole.

nyt
‘People Are Hoping
That Israel Nukes Us
So We Get Rid of This Pain’
--by Nicholas Kristof

When President Biden weighs American policy toward Gaza, may he think of a gentle scholar named Mohammed Alshannat.

Alshannat is a Palestinian in Gaza who at the start of the war was working remotely on his Ph.D. dissertation in linguistics for Rhodes University in South Africa. He is the opposite of Hamas, for in his writing he has criticized suicide bombings and rocket firings. He admires European democracy and argues that Arabs and Jews can live in harmony.

I have been texting him during the war, but his main outside contact has been Lindsay Houghton, a fellow doctoral student at Rhodes.

With Alshannat’s permission, I am quoting from his texts to Houghton. I cannot independently verify what he writes, but it meshes with what aid workers describe.

I have trimmed for length,
but he wrote in English
and these are
his words:

Oct. 11: The situation in Gaza is very grave. Forgive me as I couldn’t reply any sooner. I was running for my life. Pray for us please!

Oct. 25: My children are very, very sick. They are sick, hungry, thirsty and scared. My kidney stone medicine has run out and I have been drinking salty water. Please pray for my children.

Oct. 26: Last night, there was heavy bombing in our area. We run for our lives and I lost two of my children in the dark. Me and my wife stayed all night searching for them amidst hundreds of airstrikes. We miraculously survived an airstrike and found them fainted in the morning. Please pray for us.

Nov. 4: Please forgive me for not being able to reply to your messages as we are constantly running from one place to another. Internet connection is not stable and one has to wait three days just to charge your mobile.

My children can’t move around much as we only eat half a meal a day and I can’t carry them anymore. We defecate in the open and my children defecate on themselves and there is no water to clean them.

Nov. 14: We are eating tree leaves.

much, much more,
yet somehow even More disturbingly:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/09/opinion/gaza-israel-war.html

the top three nyt readers’ comments:

This was so painful to read -
thank you Mr. kristof for not letting
us look away from this terrible tragedy.
-- Macl; Atlanta

I worry that the terrible suffering of innocents that is happening in trying to achieve "the complete destruction of Hamas" in fact ensures that the hatred that fuels Hamas (and successor organizations) will just increase.

Hanas was not created in a vacuum - the true way to eliminate such type of organizations is to ameliorate the conditions that allow them to grow and thrive and I fear that what is happening in Gaza is the opposite of that.
--@AKJersey

After the sadness I feel for the suffering of these 2 million people at the hands of of the Israeli response to Oct 7, I am saddened that so many in America are working so hard to insure the bombing and suffering continue, in the name of defeating Hamas.

Meanwhile in the West Bank, Hamas holds no power. The Palestinian Authority is dedicated to a negotiated settlement with Israel. But Israel only humiliates them for their efforts.

It is time for our leadership to change course. We can support Israel, but not this Israel and not with this Israeli govenrment.
-Abe; Detroit

well put.

“I am saddened
that so many in America
are working so hard to insure
the bombing and suffering con-
tinue, in the name of defeating Hamas.”

Bingo.
now back to
you, wormtongue.

Oh yes wormmy!
If it IS Genocide
Then Israel’s
Genocide
Is “Justified”?

And they can
Massacre Gazans
Oh and Hamas till
Palestine is free of
All them pesky Palestinians?

Let’s
Let the
War Crimes
Tribunals Begin.

@72: It came not from a such a clean and healthy place, but from the mind of Caitlin Johnstone. I explained it to you here: https://www.thestranger.com/slog-am/2024/01/09/79336894/slog-am-huskies-lose-the-legislature-reconvenes-trump-argues-for-immunity-from-election-interference-prosecution/comments/70

@74: “…If it IS Genocide…”

“If”?!? That’s the best you can do, after repeated questioning? You seem to have no problem using your personal, double-secret, not-from-the-Genocide-Convention definition of “genocide” to describe Israel’s actions. Why such incredible caution when the actor was Hamas? Why have you failed so miserably?