There isn't any problem with praising black women for Roy Moore's defeat, Charles. You're just a contrarian, pseudo-intellectual asshole, filling space on the website the only way you know how.

black men voted in nearly the same percentages as black women. there were fewer as they've been disenfranchised more, but together, black peepo accounted for about 60% of jones' total.

I think the margin of victory provided was about the same as the number of write-in votes cast by whites who couldn't stomach moore's teen-trolling, but couldn't vote for a baby killer demoncrat libtard.

if it helps, I sexualize angela basset far more than Juliette lewis.

I agree entirely with your post, Charles, especially in light of the fact that black women are not hired, promoted, respected, etc to the degree that other group's are.

@1 To a large extent, making a super____ of any group isn't afforded an equal amount of power allows for intellectual laziness when it comes to the very hardships POC face. WOC shouldn't have to face the levels of hardships that establish the "mammification" of black women. I think, in part, Obama was also impacted by this kind of conditioning (magical black man) that helped place an extreme level of trust and expectation in him that simply wasn't possible.

On the other hand, I feel this sort of thinking could help us out if we were to nominate, say, a powerful black woman that millennials overwhelmingly support and no one can deny speaks their mind (which is a winning strategy nowadays, folks).

@2 "black men voted in nearly the same percentages as black women. there were fewer as they've been disenfranchised more"

Depends on context, black women have to deal with lower pay than black men, sexual assault, and all the issues dealing with being a single parent.

It's an opinion worth reading, Charles. Thank you.

@3 - "...if we were to nominate, say, a powerful black woman that millennials overwhelmingly support and no one can deny speaks their mind..."

It's OK to say "her mind" if the person you're talking about is actually female ;-)

@6 I've never gotten the fetish over his/her when it comes to common colloquialisms such as, "speaking their mind", and honestly can't remember an example when either of those pronouns were used instead of "their".

I love you, Charles.

@4: I was specifically referring to higher incarceration rates, and therefore voting disenfranchisement.

@9 Ok, thanks for the clarification. Mind you, access to family planning could be considered equal to access to a jail cell in some eyes.

Honest question: How do you distinguish this theme from works that are basically about strong black female characters? I was recently thinking about this in terms of literature. I finished Whitehead's Underground Railroad, which has a strong, persevering female protagonist. On one hand, I'm always pleased when an author decides to write a book about a woman, since men seem to be the default; on the other hand, I wondered about the theme of the perservering woman, and was reminded of a very similar type of character in another civil war book, The March, by Doctorow - Pearl is a former slave who can pass for white, is very attractive (into old age, Doctorow made his main female characters beautiful, which is annoying). She ends of finding a man. Whitehead makes Cora's character's fate much more open; doesn't go on an on about her looks; and doesn't make her almost white. So I THINK he avoids falling into a trope, but I'm not 100% sure.

What sort of trope is it when a black man shouts over a victory of the black woman, passing over her accomplishment, elbowing celebration aside to put himself back in the spot-light?

On a related note, Strange Days is a pretty fun movie.

Should Jews get praised for not voting for Hitler? I mean, it was the right choice but it's not like they were making a sacrifice. It would have been a sacrifice (their lives) if they had voted for him. Why would anyone praise someone for voting for a canidate that clearly would benefit them more. Framing the black vote for Jones as altruism by blacks towards whites is bizarre.

I don't view these praises as part of the overarching Mammiefication theme, but something what people are much better at: Congratulating themselves and shirking responsibility.

Whenever anyone (usually a white woman) posts these 'black women saved x/y/z' posts, what they're really saying is "ahem, I'm not one of these white people, I'm one of the good ones".

And, obviously, they're patting themselves on the back for being one of the good ones.

We'll see how much they like black women when their interests aren't aligned against defeating an odious republican.

Sportlandia @16 is right- when the women don’t need to be united against the fight against the Cheeto in charge, they’ll start hating colored women again.
What an astute observation! I never thought about that before.

@15 Irasp,
Agree. I'm not sure this "praise" is necessary and I, too am perplexed that it's even a story. Perhaps because the margin of Jones' victory was so razor thin and that he won at all is a surprise. But, African-American voters merely voted for Jones because he is a Democrat and African-American voters largely vote Democratic anyway. Thus, it simply isn't too surprising or praise worthy.

@2, no, it doesn't help.

@16, I'm a white woman and I've praised black women and black men for voting for Jones because Alabama is one of the states that makes it damned hard for black people to vote, period. I'm not a "good" white woman. I think that if it was made that difficult for me to vote, maybe I wouldn't have, and that's certainly nothing to congratulate myself over. Why don't you stop your stupid stereotyping of both black women and white women and shut the fuck up.

Holy fuck is this whole thread depressing. If Moore had won, his supporters would be all "we done whipped the homos and the coloreds!" But here we are, arguing why we shouldn't thank the brave voters of Alabama who looked beyond abortion and social issues to finally show us that there is a floor to American political savagery.

I had a buddy who used to say about some sour, dour people, "that's the kind of guy who'd complain about a blowjob." That's this thread right here.

This notion of praising any of the voters in Alabama is weirdly patronizing, but particularly singling out one group as if their votes are somehow weighted more heavily than the remainder is especially weird. A collection of individuals decided their interests in their state called for them to vote for Doug Jones. Black women may have been much more likely to do so, but 1.) they don't owe the rest of us that vote and 2.) their votes would not have been decisive without all the other voters who cast the same ballot. We can express relief at the result, but saying "thanks" would be condescending even if every last Doug Jones ballot was cast by a white man. Patting black women in Alabama on the head as if they "done a good job" smacks of colonial thinking. Mudede is (god, I hate it when I have to type this) right.

One wonders if the high turnout from black voters in this election will be used as an argument for why voter ID laws are not voter suppression.

Because Alabama does require a photo ID to vote.

@21: One thing I have noticed about a lot of hard line liberals is that they tend to judge progress based on a Platonic ideal of perfection, rather than real world realities.

This is why they can call America a racist hellscape where minorities are hunted for sport, when in reality it is one of the least racist countries, and one of the most accepting places in the world in regards to immigrants. Basically, a global lack of context.

It is like realizing the Abraham Lincoln was a racist piece of shit by today's standards, but not realizing that the idea of judging him by today's standards is pointless and dumb.

Calling Moore's supporters 'godless' is absolutely obscene. This is just one more suicidal cry-baby 'progressive' rant.

@21,

Democrats' favorite pastime is destroying themselves.

@27
Haha. I love it when the atheists start saying certain groups are "soulless".
Muh science!

@23/24
Yes. America is such a racist hellscape. We had a black prez for 2 terms, and accept more legal immigrants than any other country - irrespective of any new limits implemented by the current administration. We practically worship athletes and musicians, some of whom are merely crap salesmen - unlike the greats of Black Music in days of yore.

Non-white immigrants from awful countries move here and work hard to prosper and be free of the virulent, destructive political tribalism that the Left has worked so hard to revive. I guess it follows since younger white urbanite progressives try to emulate their (racist and inaccurate) pop culture impression of indigenous style with the tats, piercings, paganism, and patchwork families with low father parental investment (smash patriarchy etc.).

Some groups do better than others in America, and it may have more than just a little to do with the culture of manufactured grievance and false (or very exaggerated) victimhood. Perhaps we could all do better to study match and science (oops no more religious hyperbole in a political context) instead of trying to condemn every American, and every period in history, prior to MLK.

The Left can't seem to decide if America "was already great" or is Nazi Germany Part 2. Hilarious.

@27
Sounds like somebody got "triggered".
Or is that "Triggered"? As in, The Horse He Rode In On?

@24: I am talking about perception, not the minority experience. Don't get mad at commenters because you do not understand the point they are making.

@20 congratulations!

@Teddy
"This is why they can call America a racist hellscape where minorities are hunted for sport,"
- straw man. No one says anything like that.

"...in reality it is one of the least racist countries, and one of the most accepting places in the world in regards to immigrants."
- whataboutism. Citation please. Just because the United States isn't the most racist country on Earth does not make it one of the least racist countries on Earth.

@blip
"Comparing minority status across cultures is the same thing as judging Lincoln by today’s standards: pointless and dumb."
- you were definitely responding to Teddy's comment.

@35
C'mon:
""This is why they can call America a racist hellscape where minorities are hunted for sport,"
- straw man. No one says anything like that.""

The "men of color hunted for sport by law enforcement and phantasmagoric roving bands of klansmen" IS THE biggest meme pushed by the Left for the last 2 years or more. It's the canned response to any critique, valid or invalid, of black-on-black crime and gun violence in nonwhite communities. I know you guys try to outdo each other with baldfaced projection and misrepresentation of facts, but this is disingenuous even for a Stranger comment.

@36
I just talked to Alex Jones, and he thinks you should put your tinfoil hat back on.

can I point out that when someone says "no one is saying..." they're always wrong? They always mean "I'm not saying" and conveniently ignoring that whatever the issue of the day is, there's a 100% chance that some piece of shit with no regard for anything agrees with you, regardless of which 'side' you're on. We've all got to decide if those people speak for us, and whatever answer you choose for yourself, it's only fair to let other people choose that answer for themselves.

@37
Hilarious, and predictably juvenile response. I suppose the NFL Kneeling fiasco where "Murrica Oppresses Brown People!" quotes by millionaire athletes were all imagined by "paranoid alt righters".

I dunno if you've noticed, but the Left went as loony as the Right during the last election. You guys think you're inside a Star Wars/Harry Potter/Tarantino flick all mashed up with a hiphop soundtrack - as evidenced by the Stranger articles - which is just as nuts as thinking you're living inside the Bible. Trust funds is as trust funds does.

Mr. Mudede should look at how black men are also presented as "saviors" of white people in American films. e.g., the entire film career of Sidney Poitier. Black women don't have a corner on the U.S. mammy market.