"Hitler Idaho" was purchased by a Jewish collector, now dead, who later gave it to a museum in San Francisco. The curator there speculates that if the collector were still alive and knew Krafft’s current views on the Holocaust, he would smash it.
Image courtesy of Fine Arts Museums of San Francisco
humorous, funny, ironic?
none of the above.
And if he is indeed a "White Nationalist" (or Nazi) then propoganda, not art, it is. If he is not, shame on everyone for buying into this self-promoting asshole hater at the expense of the obvious.
He was not, however, the first slaveowner ever in the Americas. That's got to go to Columbus, who seized Taino and other indigenous peoples on his first trip to the Caribbean. In North America, Europeans tried at times to take native peoples prisoner, but their ability to keep them permanently as slaves was constrained (slaves could easily run away, they often were kidnapped in order to make them Christians and therefore part of European communities in ways slaves are not, Haudenosaunee control of the Northeast in particular kept European expansion in check, etc).
Back to Johnson. While not the first slaveowner, he's the first black slaveowner on record. He had a black indentured servant who (along with one or two white indentured servants, I forget) ran away and were recaptured. As was typical for this situation (if you run away from your master before your indenture is up, you are "stealing" your master's "property"), the indenture of the white servants was extended by several years. In court, though, Johnson argued successfully that his black servant's indenture should be indefinite on the basis of the servant's black skin. This is one of the earliest legal rulings associating blackness and slavery.
Of interest may also be Elizabeth Kay Grinstead. In the 1650s she successfully sued for custody of her son and freedom for both of them since her son had a white father; under English law, the status of the child followed the father. As a result of her success, the law was changed so that the status of children followed the mother (including both slaves and indentured servants - so one's childhood could be spent in indenture and freedom would come usually in one's 20s).
Anyway, Krafft is a piece of shit. Don't showcase his art anymore, but if galleries don't want to get rid of his work (and I don't think they should), then they should put a historical writeup of the history of the pieces.
Here is a question: If Charles claimed AIDS was a hoax invented by a gay cabal to force society to sympathize with them and he openly voiced that gays are repugnant, if he claimed Emett Till was not a child murdered for whistling at a white woman but a 47 year old serial rapist, if he was a chronic Korean burner aka Pastor Jones and constantly spewed similar venom about Muslims, if he voiced open support for rapists, and claimed 99% of rape accusations are false and in the 1% that did happen women brought it on themselves- would the Seattle art world be as forgiving in any of the above scenerios?
"nobody who knows him seems to be enjoying this moment"
au contraire. i knew him as a sadist and unrelenting homophobe in junior high, epithet of choice: faggot!
a few years later, he was stealing artwork from his purported idol, morris graves - hushed up out of misplaced sympathy and enabling him to parlay his "friendship" with morris into a slightly lucrative career of false irony.
now that his mask has slipped, here's hoping his few still-loyal friends will help him to get help.
I think lots of people just cant tell the difference between Art and Krafft !
Wow, if it gets any more sinister I might have to go hide under the covers!
You have almost perfectly described the the Soviet Union, the horrors of which motivated the backlash against Jews in Germany. It's not a jailable offense to question the number of Ukrainians killed by Stalin's genocidal Jewish henchmen in The Holodomor, in part because virtually nobody even knows this event happened.
Here is another question: If my aunt had balls, would she be my uncle?
If he burned Bibles and posted screeds about white males all being rapists and closet Nazis, would the "forgiving" Seattle art community be trying to destroy his reputation and livelihood - as the oh-so-sweetly concerned Jen Graves is obviously doing right now?
Here is what I found:
"A Christian pastor tells his co-religionists ... that their faith's hateful reputation is largely their own fault"
"Christian commenters on Slog are always saying we're misrepresenting Christianity by focusing on the haters. Well, fucking prove we're misrepresenting you, Christians."
"I know that religion is sorta off limits when it comes to presidential candidates—you know, as long as they're Christian (or Christian-ish)—because this is America goddammit, where questioning a candidate's crazy religious beliefs (and/or the religion's crazy founding) would just be wrong. But imagine for a moment that the Christian candidate in question was a Christian Scientist."
This took five minutes. "Hateful" .... "crazy" ... "haters" ...
Funny, but I have never seen comments like these about Muslims, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists, or, yes, Jews, in the pages of The Stranger. And `ere you think this has something to do with Christians stance on gay marriage, I remind you that Christians in general are far more tolerant of gays than those other faiths, particularly Orthodox Jews.
Fuck off with your fucking fake statistics. If you actually think googling a word count is going to give you real information, then you're stupid and you deserve to believe your easy to swallow bullshit.
I didn't want to believe that he was actually politically, ideologically predisposed because it just seemed to too damn stupid, or too damn obvious. And that for me is one of the most depressing things. Not only is this guy a total white supremacist holocaust denier (or, you know...1/5th the way) but he's capitalizing on his image of being CRITICAL or cynical about the absurdity of those beliefs. He must really think he's clever.
It's a real shame, too, because his bone-china memorial work is actually quite lovely, and the whole concept is lovely, and the care with which he obviously puts into it is evident in that short film. The question is, what do you do from here? Does this controversy really devalue the artworks or are they going to increase in value? Is everyone who owns a Charles Krafft piece going to suddenly have to explain to them that the values behind the purchase weren't the values behind the process- but then how to do you justify putting money in this guy's pocket?
I must have touched a nerve.
"Googling a word count" was good enough for Jen Graves when she was trashing Charles Krafft.
"I word-search googled right now and discovered that Slog is incredibly hateful against gays because of their proliferation of the words 'faggot' and 'hate'.
Nobody who reads Slog can think for a moment that it is about hating gays, or loving Christians. It is about loving gays, and hating Christians.
Also, you clearly lack the ability to identify irony- which might be why your response to "this guy is capitalizing on a horrendous tragedy" is "Slog did it first!"
So, you know, that shows really excellent, Christ-like Christian priorities. Just because no one is casting stones (which, uh...well...) doesn't mean no one is guilty of sin.
Additionally, Christians, particularly in large collectives, make fucking idiots of themselves without any additional help from Slog. Slog is just a highly biased aggregate. Not all biases are created equal, just having one and owning to one doesn't mean you aren't qualified to criticize other biases. Especially, in this case, where false representation plays a huge part.
The real difference? There's no real large connotation to being critical of the Christian religion, because the Christian religion has asserted itself in a position of superiority. Christian kids don't get ejected from public schools for having Christian beliefs. Christians don't really get to run around screaming about how they're going to get fed to the lions. And Christians who get fucked over are usually getting fucked over by fellow Christians. That dynamic is NOT APPLICABLE here.
Look for Krafft to take ze easy way out in his bunker on Beacon Hill zumtime zoon, yes?
(By the way, anyone seen his weird wikipedia article? could use some revision...)
I completely disagree with Owens' comment about Seattle's "misguided kind of false tolerance going on here." We can all figure out for ourselves that white supremacy is bad--- it is not necessary for "the art community" to make sure everyone's marching in step. If that's how it works in Brooklyn or Boston, I'm glad I'm not there. And the notion that tolerance is to blame for Krafft's stupidity is utter nonsense. Our sense of humanity and justice comes from compassion, not conformity.
Casually inviting him to exhibit a swastika wedding cake in a Bumbershoot exhibition (of all places)without doing any of the curatorial or critical work it takes to evaluate his art and its validity is exactly why the "local art glitterati" should be taking a long hard look at themselves and their schtick-I mean-is not Yoko Ott the head of the new Behnke Foundation to advance NW artists out of the area-blah blah blah? Promote away fool-and all the other self-appointed art elite that have embraced this charlatan and the such. Oh, and drop the "like" in your delivery Ms.Ott-I believe you left Junior high some time ago.
THIS SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED A LONG TIME AGO. SYMPATHY FOR HEBREWS SHOULD HAVE NEVER REACHED THE SHORES OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. IT IS NOT OUR BURDEN TO CARE ABOUT THESE PEOPLE.
CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON
yeah; but it's still the least politically correct ideology you could have; so I dont see your point. It seems pretty consistent to me. He basically sounds like an anti-globalist that thinks the demonization of WASPS is a convenient smokescreen. If any cultural/religio/racial group eventually rises to the top of the global pyramid scheme it would obviously end up being Jewish folk as the other groups are all intermixing and secularizing. As I said; consistent.
It sounds like people dismissed Kraffts racism because he didnt fit the 'ignorant, babbling bigot' or 'violent, bootsnbraces skinhead' moniker that many 'progressive' Seattlites tell themselves are the hallmarks of 'racists'.
Here is the kicker: Hes not alone. I dont know a latino or asian person in western WA that doesnt have countless stories of commonplace bigotry. I dont mean 'bad stares' either, I mean things ranging from goading insults to aggression. And as you can guess, for African Americans and Natives in the region, its much much worst (I say that as one). Yet somehow the Seattle art scene and the region in general are given a carte blanche 'tolerant' rating...mostly by the very people who either fit into Krafft's type of anti-social normative behavior or from the endless number of people who excuse it.
"I know he called jose a s**c, but I promise you he isnt racist"
"Oh he doesnt mean anything by those black jokes, I swear hes not racist...but you know there is some truth to...."
"Oh I dont have anything against jews...but you do know they run our banking system and foreign policy!"
This type of mindset is waaaaay too fucking common in this region, and it only persists because no one stands up to it...partially because despite yourselves many of the locals here agree in one or another instance.
modern art is a huge leftist echo chamber that hasn't produced an original thought in decades
Welcome! Let me wrap my poncho around your bare, bony, white shoulders. Soup?
Anyway, I'm so disappointed. The craftsmanship, the perversion of historic tropes, the irony was a compelling package, assuming its author was sane.
I defend the right of artists to examine potent symbols. But I now wonder if the imagary of Nazism doesn't have the occult power the Nazis claimed it had. That Krafft's use of these images slowly transmogrified his mind. The grimoire now commands the magus. Perhaps Krafft was too weak to withstand the thrall of its invested meanings.
Pathetic worm tangled with tools beyond his ken.
And all too predictably, this POS Krafft agreed--but because, as a black woman, Walker, ahem "gets to" play the race card. He seems to be against the very idea of genuine political expression coming from a place of personal experience.
My wife came up with a much better comparison: it'd be like if we found out today that Picasso was an ardent Fascist, and Guernica was a celebration of the Fascists' glorious victories over the Republicans.
Racism isn't just a matter of "not sharing the same historical beliefs", is it?
He also seemed to think it was OK for the Germans to invade and occupy France and other countries, and that local resistance to the Nazi occupation deserved the retribution it received. And , yes , he does deny the holocaust.
Finally, it is a persons fundemental right to examine evidence and beleive whatever he or she wants to believe, no one here has a right to force Charlie or anyone else to conform to a standard text of events, need I say the world is flat.
They are ubiquitous and meaningless in society now. Referencing them is a sign of no creativity. Deniers are so vilified because we all understand what happened.
SO, isn't this guy a horrible artist who has always been a horrible artist?
Put in comic terms: He puts wolverine on everything, it's all punchy but not creative and overdone to hell.
It's sad he's had to live among all you pathetic, hateful liberals that infest the beautiful city of Seattle. Most spewing their hate here are judging art by ideology; whatever fits your political ideology you accept as "art" and admire. Conversely, when you and Jen Graves discover that Charlie's art might have the "wrong" ideology, hmmm, it becomes suspect.
I would say plenty of the anonymous commenters here are Jewish operatives who jump in wherever Hitler and the Holocaust is the subject, making their very pro-Jewish comments while hiding their Jewishness. It's rampant. And it's dishonest. The U.S. Northwest coast is a faggy, über-liberal enclave of folks who really do want to take over the world and form it in their own image. I appreciated those who pointed out the anti-Christian bias that is so strong. There are no more intolerant people than these types of homosexual and anti-White extremists, and it certainly shows in this article and the majority of comments.
Thank you Charles Krafft for not compromising your honestly-arrived-at beliefs. And thanks to those few who have pointed this out.
It reminds me of the recent story about the Zen master in LA who had been sexually abusing female students for 50 years, and all the insiders knew about it, but nobody ever made a big deal of it until now.
It's not illegal in 95% of the world, and is actually encouraged in the Islamic world. Questioning any claim Muslims have about their persecution or the Prophet Mohammad and you will be hounded the world over. Saying "Throughout history Muslims have done as much or more injustice then they've been subject to" would fall under "insulting Islam" which is punishable by death. Questioing whether the Armenian genocide did happen in punishable in Turkey. So you are 100% wrong.
That's right, this comments section is a Jewish conspiracy! Look over there - that lamp is a Jewish conspiracy! Look outside - the tree is a Jewish conspiracy.
But all this stuff about him pulling the wool over peoples eyes, or Seattle "celebrating" him, or him raking in the dough- thats just baloney.
Charlie has always been a difficult person, and a lot of people have always steered clear of him. He has not been "celebrated" in Seattle- he hasnt even had a gallery show here in decades, and he has never had a major museum solo show around here, much less a retrospective. Curators here have occasionally included a piece in a group show, but he is not exactly a critical or musuem or collector darling.
Any works of his in local museums were almost certainly donated by collectors, not purchased outright by museums throwing money his way.
We "celebrate" people like Gary Hill or Dale Chihuly, we give museum shows to people like Patti Warashina, or Fay Jones, or Jeffry Mitchell- you know, women, and gays. Not Charlie. I would say he is pretty good at reaping what he sows, scaring away serious money, collectors, and curators.
And as far as money- I would be amazed if Charlie makes anywhere near as much as a Union Garbageman. He sure doesnt make as much as a college professor. He squeaks by, making a living as an artist, which, in and of itself, is a major accomplishment, but as far as I know, he doesnt own a house, or a car, or have health insurance, and he sure doesnt wear gold doogie chains with diamond studded swastikas hangin off em.
In short - Seattle did not shower Krafft with money, acclaim, fame, and art world status.
Nobody was ever "fooled" or "scammed" by him.
He has been making art for 30 plus years, and some people have bought it. Some of it is good, some of it not so good. He is a lot LESS objectionable than a bunch of artists I know who are drug addicts, wife beaters, crooks, and creeps, who are far more wealthy and famous than he is.
Is his political stance creepy? You betcha.
Should the art scene in Seattle, whatever that is, somehow have lynched him, or kicked him in the balls, or sent him to re-education camp for his views?
I dont think so.
There are plenty of jerks in the art scene, just like any scene.
I think its great Jen wrote this, but I dont think we need months of self criticism meetings over our failure to properly deal with Krafft.
I expected this, and you, Bic, have not disappointed me. I used the word Jew in only one sentence, but you picked right up on it.
Where did it come from that everyone has to love Jews? As a tribe or as individuals, you are not at all loveable! The fact that Jews are all over comment pages like this one, defending their myths of innocence and attacking "Nazis", is no secret. It's very tiresome and, hopefully, more non-jewish people will tire of it sooner rather than later.
I do not love jews but I do love Charlie Krafft!
We can understand the ancient Greek and Roman sculptures without any sort of context. They're beautiful to us without knowing that such-and-such statue of Venus was really meant as commentary on such-and-such historical event we've long forgotten.
Guernica is a beautiful and moving painting regardless of Spanish civil war history. I have no idea the history of Goya's the Executions of the 3rd of May, but I still find the painting pretty.
Will someone who has forgotten Hitler find this sculpture pretty? Will we need to remember this asshole's FB page to fully understand its complexities?
I think history has ruled on the atrocities of WWII. Who cares if an beloved artist and a bunch of anonymous posters want to rage against history?
Maybe instead we should re-examine the artists we consider great in the NW.
I do not see much originality in your tiresome thinking either, and you're still seeing evil Jews behind every sofa cushion. Who said I'm Jewish? Who said I have to love Jews to combat ignorant paranoid delusional drones such as yourself? What? I should maybe love Nazis?
Finally, someone is talking some sense instead of holier than thou bs.
@89 why do we all have to love jews?
2 words: soul music
So this man was admired when he flattered the frivolity of those in the Pacific Northwest art scene but now that it is shown that he is serious about the future of his race and historical truth he is worthy of contempt?
I know who I find worthy of contempt.
France and England declared war on Germany AFTER Germany invaded Poland, they had agreed to defend Poland if it was attacked. Many other countries who had not declared war on Germany such as the Netherlands were attacked by Germany.
There is nothing in the Geneva Conventions that authorise "retributions" against a resistance.
Sure, a resistance can be fought, but "retribution", such a the rounding up and burning of all 650 men women and children such as was done in Oradour-sur-Glane, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradour-sur…) and burning them to death because they may have harbored a member of the Resistance, is not authorized by any rules of war. The ruins of this town still stand as a testament,one example of many to the German barbarity.
I also not that 80 dodged the racism issue completely.
Racism is fundamentally about a lack of compassion and respect for other people.